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The conversation opens with greetings and life updates before shifting into Jack's morning routine, time in nature, and how he structures his days. He also explains how he revisits and updates old blog posts with newer science.
Jack.
You're on.
How are you doing, Jack?
I'm a little bit warmer than you two.
I could imagine.
I love the beard.
Ah.
Long time no see, my friend.
Yeah, I heard you guys were stirring it up over there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.You should see Yeah, have you You still mess around with
Mads.I watch Mads on Instagram.He's always around with people.
You know, I I learned from the best, Jack.You know.
I'm glad that you guys are doing well.You look good.
You too, Jack.Likewise.
You too.How are things going over there?
Uh well, it's actually going well.We just had a very abrupt end to the summer uh because we had a very, very rainy uh summer because of the El Niño and all the stuff going on.And it was kind of funny.Like 5 days ago, all of a sudden humidity went away and then we have now blue skies and 20-30 mile an hour winds and it's gorgeous.This is how it'll be now for the next 6 to 7 months.
So, this is your summer or am I Am I Am I going
our winter.
This is your winter.
Yeah, this is our winter.We only have two seasons here in the tropics.Uh rainy season, which is usually summer time and then winter, which is it's the best way to to view it.You guys wouldn't understand, but it's it's kind of like San Diego here.75-85 Fahrenheit every day with sun.
You just get happy in that environment, right?Every morning you have
I love it.And this is Look, I mean, I don't know if you could see.I have it behind me.I have a big wind chime.Look.See the wind chime there?
Yes, we have that too over here.Sounds amazing.
It's like 6 ft tall, so it like I call it nature's Spotify.So that way we can we can hear it.But you know, when the wind is like this, it's blowing out to the Pacific Ocean.The Pacific Ocean's out of my kitchen.And I it's just nice when you get up in the morning and you see that.Every day.
ask you?Jack, what's your morning routine?Or what's your routine daily?Are you much in nature?
Yeah, because you're up early.
Yeah, well, I'm I'm I'm usually up with the the sunrise.When I'm up with the sunrise, usually depending on where I'm at, whether I'm here at the beach, the the activity is a little bit different.Um and how much time I spend in the sun.Like today, I spent since the sun has risen to now in the sun completely.Um but I always try to make sure that I see the Pacific Ocean every morning.If I can.Been difficult outside of the last 5 days, but now all that's gone.And then uh I usually do while I'm doing the sun a lot of grounding at that time.And do um motion motion exercises.You could call it against resistance.You could call it uh a little bit of old man tai chi, whatever you want to call it.
Yes, sir.
Um but That's everything And then I usually will have my breakfast.And then I usually go in the pool for the swim.And I I stay in the water when I'm at the house, I'd say quite a bit of time.At least 1 to 3 hours, depending on the day.Like if I have to do podcasts, it changes.If I have to do some uh homework on my form, or do I have to get blogs ready to go?Cuz you know, most of my blogs have been written 15, 20 years ago.So I have to reopen them up, look at them, and then add new pictures, add some uh new of the updated science from when I wrote them.Like, I just did that yesterday with the next blog that's coming out.I had to add, you know, some
AI.
Yeah, well, no, I had to add some modern data, like new data that's come in that is upgraded, you know, what I'd written.Like, the last The next blog that's coming out is about sleep.
Nice.
um about an NFL player who died, Hall of Famer, from sleep apnea.And I wrote the blog.I actually have the date on it.I wrote the blog 5 days after he died in 2004.So, I mean, this is 22 years ago.
Mhm.
Okay.
Good saying.
And um so, I had to upgrade it.And the funny thing is, like, when you read something you wrote 22 years ago, and you see where we are now, it's kind of remarkable
Mhm.
to see what your mindset was then, and then knowing how you have to upgrade it
Yeah.Mhm.It's also an
modern audience so they understand it.
Yeah, it's a good practice as well to go back.I'm guessing you even you learn a lot from reading those things that's 20 years old and and refreshing them and using your knowledge now, yeah?
Actually, I think I learn more from looking back and then looking forward.Why?Because it actually gives you uh the theory of relativity.Like, I have a pretty famous saying I use with my members, uh have strong opinions, but hold them loosely.
Mhm.
And you look back, and you look forward, like to the new data that's out, um it's exciting because I see where I was 20, 25 years ago was absolutely on the right spot with biophysics over biochemistry.But at the same time, you see as the new data comes in, the holes that were filled in the old theory uh and it's I think it's it says something when your theory has good predictability and and ittells you kind of where you are, what is strong about it, and what is weak about it cuz ultimately a good clinician or a good scientist doesn't fall in love with their own theory.It actually you actually fall in love with taking the theory apart and seeing where it can improve in different places.So, for me, I think writing the blogs a long time ago actually uh has been it's actually made steel on steel for my ideas to be quite frankly.
Jack reflects on how his thinking has evolved by comparing older writing with current evidence. He introduces the importance of Earth's magnetic changes and begins discussing Reggie White's death as an early example.
So, what has changed would you say the most since you wrote these blog like 20 plus years ago?
I don't think uh anything has changed.I think it's been the updates.Like the track that I was on was correct, but I think if I was to be very very critical you guys know that I always talk about light, water, and magnetism.You know, that's always been a core tenant of my writings.But, I never saw how important the Earth's magnetic weakness would be in the story of life.And I knew clearly, I mean just reading this 2004 blog I knew that it was important when I wrote about central sleep apnea and and Reggie White because a lot of that is in the blog.And you know, I can tell you guys some of it because I know you guys won't release this until after after the blog's out, but one of the things that was very interesting in his death you know, he
was 38 years old.He's a Hall of Fame NFL player.So, you know, from Mad's your perspective, this tells you that he's an elite athlete.Um when he retired from the NFL, he had the most sacks.Um and he retired at 38 years old.He died at 43 years old, which made it very unusual.But, one of the things that um shocked me when he died is how he died.And uh I knew where he lived.And one of the things that was in the blog that I made the comment that he had done a lot of recent trips to the Middle East.Because he was very interested in uh his faith.And uh I think he took six trips back and forth to where he lived in North Carolina.And when he dropped dead, the he had a autoimmune condition for his whole life that didn't impede him at all.
But, then he died of a sudden cardiac event in 2004, December 26th, which also fit.Cuz that told me the circadian mismatch.
Mhm.
Uh because it was right around the winter solstice.But, one of the things that I commented in the write-up was the recent change in the magnetic declination in North Carolina.And this is 22 years ago.Now, at that time I had written that he was um east of the agonic line.So, he was only like plus six, plus seven declination.And I thought, "Okay, I think with the sarcoidosis that he had and the development of new onset sleep apnea that this affected the water table in his brain stem.And I think this is the real reason, you know, that he died."That was the basic gist of the story that I wrote.And I wrote this on, I think, January 4th uh of uh 2020 uh 2005.
Okay, so so so try right.So, try to take us back a bit because I've I've heard a lot of your recent podcast and you talk about this principle that you're talking about now that I've never heard you talk about before.Maybe it's just me, but it seems like something new.Is it something about
what I said.That's what I said.Well, well, hold on a minute.You asked me what's what's the new?I don't think it's new, Mads.
No.
I think that magnetism is always a part of it, but the reason why I never really talked about it tremendously is because we always assume that the Earth's magnetic sphere was relatively stable.
Mhm.
But a lot of it changed.It wasn't me that changed.The Earth changed.Like you guys know that we've all heard the last probably four or five years that the North Pole, where you guys are closer than I am, moved from Canada to Siberia.Like everybody knows that.It's not like a shock.The big shock was that hey, it was stop stopped moving 1 to 2 km a year.Now it's moving 55 km a year.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking about.
Wow.
Right?So, that's a that's the big change.So, Mads, the point that I was trying to make to you, it's not that Jack changed, it's that Jack never anticipated that the magnetic North Pole could move 55 km an hour and then what Jack started to do,he started to ask the question, "Okay, what effect would this have on mitochondria?"Because that's obviously the key because you go from what we call stable to an asymptotic slope, it's going to have an effect, you know, on biology.Like I would tell you the the equivalent maybe in your world is if you had a guy that was in one of your classes on Instagram and he was doing okay with your work, but then all of asudden you started to notice, "Okay, he's having these huge changes."And you go talk to him, he says, "Yeah, I'm using GLP-1 drugs now and testosterone."
You go, "Okay.Wait a minute.So, maybe maybe that's the change."And I I look at the change in planetary magnetism as that effect.Now, what do we know from December 2012 to today?That's 14 years.This is This is after Reggie White's dead.We now know that the planetary field is weakened by 10%.So, what does a 10% weakness mean?The funny thing is and this is what hit me when I read the blog and why I decided to release the next one with his is because this predated my knowledge, but even that it predated my knowledge, wasit part of the blog?Did I mention that this guy was traveling circumpolar flights to the Middle East five or six times literally right before he dies also has the death right around the winter solstice, which you guys know is the weakest timewith sun's out.
Would this stress the light water magnetism thesis to lead him to have a complete magnetic stall of his heart?And in the blog, that was the conclusion that I came to.Um Wow.
The discussion expands into magnetic pole movement, weakened planetary fields, and how these changes may affect mitochondria and biology. Jack connects large-scale cosmic motion to telluric currents, climate shifts, and changes in living systems.
So
Can I ask you something, Jack?Okay, yeah.Keep going.Sorry.Yeah, I wanted to ask you all of these uh because I know I haven't really never heard a guy who knows so much about literally everything as you.These geographic changes and these planetary changes that we're experiencing right now as you just mentioned Super El Niño and the fact that uh the poles are shifting at record time and what's the cause cause of this?Do we do our magnetic field and our electromagnetic field, does it have any effect on the bigger electromagnetic field or what what what's the reason?
That's a great question, but I think Mads is going to be really surprised at my answer.Motion is the cause of the change.Why?But not motion you think see Mads is the expert in motion inside the gym, inside his place.Mhm.
The most I'm telling you is as the Milky Way galaxy in the spiral arm that our solar solar system is in moves through space.That means space has Birkeland currents.So, that means the electromagnetism of space changes and that gets transmitted to us.This is the thing that I hope both of you really understand cuz it ties to Matt's question about what has changed
Mhm.
and what we're talking about now.I don't think humans really understand when I say physics scales, meaning that it can be at the nano in your mitochondria, but it's also at the macro as the solar system, the heliosphere, and the spiral arm that ourgalaxy is in also changes its environment.Ultimately, all that physics is transmitted through Birkeland currents and through water chemistry straight to us and we have to respond to it.But, you know what the problem is?You don't sense it.You don't think about it.And when you realize, when you have a predictive theory that is tied to light water magnetism, I have always known that physics scales.Like, to me, one of the most amazing parts of this story like you asked me about telluric currents.That's it.Specifically what you asked me about.Telluric currents meaning coming from above and those coming from the Earth.
Okay?
Mhm.
Who is the humans that used to pay attention to that the best?I would tell you it's the Incans and the and the Mayans.And this is all reflected in their buildings and their architecture.I would tell you that I look at the matter in us as the reflection of the electromagnetic environment that we're in.So, it tells us a story.So, you guys know that we can't sense non-native EMF.We can't sense telluric currents.But, where do we get this idea?What is the shadow cast?It's in our lives.It's in our effect.It's in what our patients have.It's in the diseases that we get.Like I just posted something on Twitter this morning that you guys may find interesting.Is I showed a picture of cervical mucus from a a woman that is fertile and one that's not.If you go look at the picture, this is a a great macrocosm of what you and I are talking about now.
The picture on the left The picture on the left looks like
Go find the picture.Go find the picture.Go find the picture, John.Go find the picture.
As above, so below.
Yeah, it's my last tweet and I think you guys enjoy it because you look at the picture and you say, "Yeah, there's clearly a difference between these mucus."But then you have to say to yourself, when you're looking at the mucus, okay, what is the physical difference?And the physical difference is the dielectric constant of water.And you begin to realize that one is viscous and the other one isn't.
And that Clearly.
difference between between pregnancy and not.And I know that you guys both have friends who have dealt with infertility.Well, here you are in your hand holding electromagnetic device that actually proves my point to you that I'm showing you how we scale from abiotic atoms to biotic atoms.What's the key difference in us is the atomic molecular organization of the atoms in our cells that create this kind of fluid that comes from a woman's cervix that can determine
So basically, if I'm understanding a baby or not.If I'm understanding you correctly, then it is since 2012, which is which is where the Mayans actually predicted a change in the universe, which is why everyone had that, you know, the movie and all that stuff, right?They predicted the end of the universe, which you have then or which you think is then an We've gone into some other age spiral or some sort of new age
spiral.Remember, the spiral arm moves like this, right?
Mhm.
I'll tell you the two things that happened.From let's talk about 4.6 billion years ago when the Earth began.
Yeah.
If this the spiral arm,
Yeah.
the solar system is proximal to my shoulder.Today, 4.6 billion years ago, now we're in my forearm.
Okay.
other words, we've moved in the spiral arm, but as the spiral arm keeps spinning, we are now in a different part of space.So, what is different about the different part of space that the Mayans realized from monitoring telluric currents in their time, through their calendar?
Mhm.
They realized that we were going to go through a different part of space at that time, and they measured the telluric currents using loadstones and then using rare Earth elements that were in their buildings.And they charted this out over I think it was 40 44,000 years, and they said December of 2012 is when this huge change, we're coming to this new part of space, is going to be present.That's basically what they said.So, it tells us that the dielectric constant of space changed in December of 2012.Now, remember what I just showed to you with the mucus?
Yeah.
Here's the analogy.Now that you know the poles are moving from Canada to Siberia, that's exactly what the mucus is for you now.That is how you tell what the Birkeland currents and what the spiral arm are going through.The dielectric has changed for the entire galaxy.So, why wouldn't it change for us on Earth?
Why?
Okay.
If physics scales, and when you understand this, you start to go, "Okay, so this means all the stuff with Greta Thunberg and the climate change is because your original question to me, "Jack, are we doing this or isthis a cycle that we just don't really understand yet because it's so massive."And it turns out we do understand it.The Mayans were the last group of humans to really get it.And we were just waking up to the reality because we are seeing it in the poles moving, agonic lines moving.We're seeing it because aurora now come from where you guys live and it's down in Puerto Rico or down in 12 South Brazil and you look and you go "Why did this happen in May 2024?"This year, I will tell you it's no storms in the Atlantic, massive storms in the Pacific.So, in other words the electromagnetic phenomenon of this huge macro change is happening on Earth.
So, what did I just do?About 5 weeks ago I got on a boat and I went with some oceanographic uh people and oceanographic data to go look at the effect again, abiotic to biotic what was going on in the Pacific Ocean.What was I most interested in?The data that I could get from Mauna Kea.This is a observatory in Hawaii because if you're scaling with what I'm I'm selling you the change in the Birkeland currents are so great that these should also change the magnetic footprint of the planets.So, what did I want to do?I wanted to go to Mauna Kea and find out what was happening on Jupiter.Why?Jupiter has the strongest magnetic field of any planet and there's a special telescope on the top of Mauna Kea in Hawaii that actually tells us about the amount of heat and near infrared light released as well as the
auroras that are on Jupiter.Okay?Everybody knows in our heliosphere the sun has the strongest one but we already know the sun is acting kind of weird.So, what did I find when we went to the the observatory and looked at the data?Jupiter's also changed in exactly the predictive value that my theory would predict.Why?Because I'm trying to explain to you the physics scales.So, Jupiter's emitting more near infrared light and more heat.Also, the the auroras on Jupiter have also changed.They used to be a pentagram, now they're different.They're hexagrams.And it turns out this change isn't just happening on Jupiter.I found out from this it's happening on every planet.Every aurora on every planet is changing.So, when you begin to see this global effect, it tells you two Vikings sitting where you are that you're in a place where you're able to see the teluric currents best coming from top down.
If you put Windex on your glass eyes and understand what I'm trying to tell you.Mhm.You're also seeing the teluric currents coming from the bottom.Why?Because now, as of May of 2025, Iceland is the now has mosquitoes.Never had mosquitoes before because it's endogenous magnetic field prevents it from being affected by the solar wind.You guys will be surprised to see that everything is changing.Everything is changing here in the environment as well.I mean, I went to Portugal.I went to Portugal this summer.And they have officially changed from whatever the Mediterranean is to tropical climate now.They have rainforest now.Just within the last couple couple years, 5 years.They have It It's It's so crazy that we're really You guys will be surprised not only does that link, but you know that Florida is the sunshine state, right?It's always Like if you come see the license plate in Florida, they always have oranges.
Do you know that oranges went extinct in Florida right around the same time that Portugal became tropical?Interesting.Makes sense.So, so let me let me ask you something.When we talk about all these things happening, you know, we can find them interesting, but you guys know that I'm a scientist.I'm a clinician.You understand now why I don't think anything is really changed.I think it's the the of the line that's changed and we are seeing the effect of the slope of the line in everything that has chloroplast and everything that has mitochondria.That's my definitive answer to Mad's question, like what's changed?It's not It's It's everything around us has changed.
Jack answers questions about whether humans are becoming a new species and explains past magnetic events like the Laschamps excursion. He links speciation, autism, trisomy, and animal communication to environmental physics and evolutionary adaptation.
I have two questions.First of all, are we becoming a new species then?What does all this mean?That's number one.Number two, how do you think that the Mayans were able to know all of these things?What What is your These two things?
Okay, so last question first, why?Clearly you're not reading my Patreon.I've got about seven Mayan blogs that lay out exactly how it happened and what they did and how they figured it out and how they navigated the 4,500 year magnetic declination that they lived through, okay?So that takes care of that.You guys can go read that.Now, the the first question is much more interesting to me.So now I'm going to give you a little history lesson.Again, it's buried in Patreon, but this one I think you guys know a little bit a bit about because many of the people that live in your countries have a little bit of this in them.There's a thing called the Laschamps event.That's the last big magnetic declination that geologists find.That's about 41, 42,000 years ago.Uh this is a period of time about a thousand years in Earth's history where the magnetic field went down 90%, okay?
We only went down right now 10% in about 12 years.So that gives you the idea.What happened in Laschamps?We lost woolly mammoths, all the megafauna in North America.We also lost one version of Homo, Homo neanderthalensis, which should be interesting to you guys cuz your people up in the north have most uh Neanderthal DNA.There.Why?Because you guys integrated the most with them.But remember what was special about Neanderthal and this goes to a lot of the discussions that you guys and I have had, especially with Mads when he gets mad at me about big muscles and things like that.Here's the big story.Neanderthals had bigger brains than us.They had bigger musculoskeletal systems.They were massive.We can tell this because we have their their their uh skeletons.The other thing that we know is um they lost melanin in their brains.
Why?Because we have uh residues inside their skull where the brain was of quinolinic acid.That tells us about breakdown of melatonin and and melanin in their brains.So what is the homo species that's left?Homo sapiens.Three of us are them.What is difference between us and them?We have smaller brains.We appear to be more intelligent.We have more melanin inside.We have more water to the CSF than they did.We also have smaller musculoskeletal systems.And what does that mean?We survived a 90% decline 42,000 years ago when they did it.So now let's address your question.
Mhm.
What is going on with the speciation of homo now?I would tell you uh things that will drive the process.You will see a decline further in cognition.So do I believe the best disease to link this to is autism.Okay?Cuz that's one step.Do I think another issue is karyotype changes that can happen.This would be like trisomy 21.What is the link there?The link for both of these things is neurons need microtubules and the dielectric constant of water to get actually dedifferentiate from the thalamus out to the brain to make the brain.What's the problem in trisomy 21?The microtubules that pull the chromosomes apart don't have a good dielectric constant.So, what happens?You get aneuploidy.That's what trisomy 21 is.Now, there's a lot of other trisomy diseases, but what am I trying to tell you?You have lived your whole life with people with autism and trisomy 21 around you, yet you didn't look at them as a new species.
But yet, I do.
Yeah.No, but that's very interesting because I mean, I don't know if this has anything to do with that, but I saw that there was another podcast um called the Telepathy Tapes or whatever, where they found out that alot of people with autism actually developed this non-verbal way of communicating, which I guess you can just see as a different type of intelligence or a how to say
Well, I would explain to you it's an atavism, and I'll explain to you that's already happened on Earth.
Mhm.
Realize it.That is what bats, whales, and dolphins do.Echolocation is another way to communicate, okay?So, that is an atavism.Remember, what's special about dolphins and whales and us?We're the three mammals that encephalize more than anybody else.
Mhm.
But what did they do?They use their powers differently because the physics of their environment is different, okay?So, remember all the things we just said about the spiral arm.I want you to think about the evolution of whales, dolphins, and us.We're terrestrial, they're ocean-based.Uh there are a lot of similarities, especially with the uh fish and DHA-based economies, but the Faraday protection of water afforded them a much different brain evolution than we had.And I would tell you the same thing is true.I think I would really like to look at other animals in the ocean.Why?Because let's Let's into this a little bit because you guys may not know the physics.What did I effectively find in the Pacific Ocean?The thermal haline currents have been slowly turning off on the planet.The first one that turned off was the Southern Ocean, South South America, and and Australia.
That's called the Smock.The one that just turned off is the one that affects you guys, and
What is that again, sorry?Those lines, what are they?
Thermal haline currents.This is like the Gulf Stream that comes out of the Gulf of Mexico, goes up the East Coast, goes to the Arctic, and makes sure that Northern Europe isn't as cold as it could be.That all of this is because of the Gulf Stream.
What is the difference in the Gulf Stream?
The Gulf Stream has two densities of waters.
Mhm.
Really dense and not dense, okay?And that's the the salinity of the the ocean in the Atlantic Ocean.So, what has happened when the density all becomes the same, the dielectric constant shrinks to 78, that means that the thermal halines turned off.We found out that from 2012 to now, the AMOC, which is the Atlantic thermal haline, has effectively turned off.This is also the reason why Iceland has a problem.This is also the reason that you guys are having way hotter summers, but you're going to have really cold winters come very soon, okay?So, the other big thing that's occurred is this will desertify the whole Eastern seaboard of the United States.That is the reason why the oranges in Florida went bye-bye, okay?It's also the reason why I knew about Reggie White and his problem, cuz he lived on the East Coast in in North Carolina, and the thermal haline died.
What was I also checking from 20 I'd say 2003 to now is the size of fish.What do we know about the density of water?When water becomes really dense, the dielectric goes to 78, things shrink in size, okay?So, I went and started talking to all the fish captains everywhere in the world where I travel, and I found out in the Atlantic thermohaline, the fish used to be massive.Now they're big.Why?Because the amount of oxygen has changed.And it turns out not only did the oxygen levels change, but the state of oxygen changed.In other words, it's more singlet than triplet, because you need triplet to actually make things big.For For example, in Mad's world, when he wants to have good tens gradient good healing uh ACLs and and and tendons, what do you need?You need triplet state oxygen, not singlet.
Singlet state oxygen leads to ACL tears, Achilles tears, plantar fasciitis, you know, more injuries, okay?And the reason for that is cuz collagen is a chiral molecule that responds to triplet oxygen.And it turns out triplet and singlet oxygen, guess what the master is in biophysics?The magnetic field.
Ah.
So now you're beginning to realize that as the magnetic field below the oceans get weak, it changes the density of water above it.
Mhm.
And what does that mean?It also changes the density of the atmosphere above it.So then you start going, "Okay, now I understand why 2026 only had one storm in the Atlantic basin that was hurricane.And what was special about it?It didn't happen before September 21st.It's the first time in 114 years we didn't have one hurricane in the Atlantic basin.Now let's look at the Pacific.Pacific hardly ever gets it.The Pacific Ocean doesn't get it.
Yeah.
The Pacific Ocean has been crazy.
Yeah.
And what else do you know about the Pacific Ring of Fire?I've been telling you for this
Yeah.
volcanoes and earthquakes like crazy.
Mhm.
Now why is that the case?The Earth has a feedback loop to its star.And it creates CO2 in the environment so that it decreases the thermohaline density.So believe it or not, CO2 has a huge effect on water density.Now, you've been told by Greta Thunberg it's the actually opposite way.Why?So, they can tax you in the in Europe and steal your money.
thing they do with oxygen in the water.They also tend to say that it's the opposite.
What am I trying to tell you though?You asked me a big question in the big beginning of the podcast.Is Jack interested in us or is it some other cycle?
Keep going.
you this cycle is very macro that's happening.And the Earth reacts with magnetic field weakening because of the geography that the spiral arm of our galaxy is going through right now has radically changed.In other words, its electromagnetic footprint is 21 hertz.
Okay, so
that we don't have as much magnetic protection as we used to have.And what happens?The planetary magnetic field has dropped in 14 years 10%.Now, the big question why I went to the Pacific Ocean is I'm trying to figure out what the slope of the line is.Like, are we headed to 90% or are we headed to 30%?
I think
my my latest trip which I laid out in in Rick Rubin's podcast that came out today was that I think we're clearly going to be at the 30% threshold.So, now you two Vikings should be very interested in this.
Okay.
Yeah, I think so.What does that mean for Mads' clients?What does it mean for Jack's patients?It means we need to start expecting more injuries, more cognitive decline, more magnetic stalls, more Reggie Whites, more obesity, um and not for the reasons that you think.And the thing is all of these are predictive values tied to my theory that you guys have been with me.Every time we do a podcast, what do we do?We tease another layer of the onion apart so that you begin to understand truly what light, water, and magnetism is all about because what you thought it was about and what it's really about is probably a little bitdifferent.And every time like what you guys are going through in this podcast is what I went through yesterday when I opened up 24 O blog and looked at it and like, "Okay, I got to update this."
So, this podcast is an update to all the other podcasts that we've done.
The conversation turns to how humans should respond to a changing magnetic environment and what traits may help or hurt survival. Jack discusses nature's selection pressures, intuition, and examples from animals, oceans, and other planets.
Yeah, exactly.And I think that's the right journey both for ourselves, for our learning, but also for our listeners.So, clearly the Earth right now is is going through huge changes.Us as well, we may be developing into a new species, a higher consciousness, anything like that.And we see this as as ongoing dysfunctions as you would call it.But is there anything that we can do?Should we ride the storm?Should we be even more in nature?Or is there anything that we can do to take advantage of it?
Well, remember in the seed of destruction there's always uh nature finds a way.So, I told you that answer in last time that we know about the megafauna of the woolly mammoth and Neanderthals we were that seed of destruction that came from it.Humanity actually I think was elevated through the weakening field.Now, the thing is we're better adapted to deal with a weak field because that's the lesson of last time.So, the question now becomes because this is where you're hinting.What are we seeing in our species since the Carrington event, since 1859?All of our disease epidemics are getting worse.So, it tells you that we're exquisitely sensitive to changes in the magnetic field, but we already know that we handled the 90% and it hardened us.So, that tells us within our species there's going to be people that are going to do really well and then there's going to be other people who do really bad.
Why?Because nature makes no mistakes but she is going to sharpen with steel parts of Homo sapiens and she is going to get rid of a lot and then the physics of Earth as it evolves will determine who thewinners and losers are.So, if you understand this match, what am I saying to you?It means that you need to understand the predictive process in the thesis and the things that you need to do probably are for you to best adapt to a very slope sloped line in your environment.So, if you happen to live in a very sensitive magnetic decline zone, you are going to be put to the gauntlet by the magnetic field.So, you better be ready for it and that means you better understand what you're doing.And things that you believe you need to challenge.So, one of the things I would say to both of you, when a variable like the three-legged stool like water magnetism changes, you better have strong beliefs but loosely held.
Why?Because things are going to change and you need to be ready to adapt to them and I would say humans that have an open mind begin to realize that they're going to have to do things that are different.What's the correlate to this that I want both of you to think about?It's the Titanic.The people that were on the Titanic couldn't believe what happened to them.It's the safest unsinkable boat in the world, yet they came to a choice where do we listen to the music or do we jump in the cold water to save our lives?We know clearly from that event in in 1912 that the people who jumped in the cold water and got to the boats made the right choice.The people that listened to the music made the wrong choice.I'm telling you that what's going on right now honor is going to force 8 billion of us to make the same type of decision.
Ultimately but it's Ultimately your beliefs and how you adapt and how you change the slope of change for you when you understand how the physics of the environment changes, the micro inside of your mitochondria will determine who's goingto do well and who doesn't.
Right, but is it also I mean just going back to because to me it also sounds a little bit not spiritual, but let's say yourself, right?You're doing qigong in the morning.When I is something and and you might I don't know you might know of course you know way better than I do.But the personal electromagnetic field of people, right?You can you can also strengthen them and you can weaken them by how you are and who you are around and everything.And we all affect each other.
what I would tell you though, that's the reason I like talking to you guys.You remember the time we spent together abroad.
I love that.
Right, we had a good time because then we had a real-time connection and that's the reason why when we come on podcast, we can create good content for the audience.The flip side is I know both of you have had the experience where you have somebody on the podcast and you go, I can't wait till this is over.
Okay.
Mhm.
True.
So, the key is understand that that happens in our life, too.So, when you're around people and you have to realize this can happen with your family.This can happen with your uncle.This can happen with your wife.It can happen with your grandfather and this is why I would tell you this is why divorce is so high because you may have made a good decision with your wife or girlfriend 30 years ago in the electromagneticenvironment you're in, but when the electromagnetic environment changes and she changes and you change, you become matched.It's like taking someone with an L0 haplotype and putting them in Detroit.
Interesting.
And that's the way
it What is it that changes the two people if they are now, let's say you've been together for 30 years.Is it the mentality of the people?Is it the quantum physics and the connection between the the the universe and how you align?How How would you describe that?
It's very simple.It's just like the hard problem of consciousness.It's the light we make.So, you need to understand the light we make from mitochondria metabolism.Those are called the ultra weak biophotons.When somebody you're entangled to makes the right light, you are drawn to them, just like a bug is drawn or a bee is drawn to the flower's light.The same thing is true in us.So, I would tell you there's a a very interesting abiotic to biotic connection that you should know.Animals in the forest listen to the trees DC electric current and the light they release from the the leaves and they know the earthquake is coming.So, then they go to safety.Turtles in the ocean pay attention to the telluric currents that come up and they swim away from volcanoes and earthquakes.Why?They are paying attention to the same thing.
What I would tell you two gentlemen is the reason that humans aren't as good as animals in the forest and turtles in the sea is because your electromagnetic antenna in your thalamus has been polluted by our two frontallobes that our environment toxic.In other words, we are the mammals that sit under the power lines.
Mhm.
When you have the AM radio station, all you hear is white noise.So, you wonder why don't why don't I see this?So, if your girlfriend turns out to be one of the people sitting in the Tesla underneath the power lines and with uh you know, blue lights all around her and you wonder why you're no longer connected to her,it's obvious.
Mhm.
Mitochondria, they're electromagnetic optical sensors.If that sensor goes offline, do you think she's going to make the same light she used to?No.
I'm getting it.
Oh.
But I'm getting but also what I'm kind of myself just you know, to translate it into my own understanding of it, it's also the gut feeling because if you take it from the perspective of the turtle doesn't knowthe thing about the DC current, it's it's following its intuition, its gut feeling the whole time and that's why it's able to make it into a security before the earthquake or all of these things, right?Because of the gut feeling, it's because of all the blue light and all of this you know, the society we live in now is disrupting our gut feeling of how we should live, which is more natural, right?
Let me try to make it even more simple for you.
Okay.
One of the criticisms I get, Mads, you know this, is that there's no way it could be this simple, okay?Well, it has to be this simple so that animals that don't have frontal lobes
Mhm.
can figure it out.The problem is all three of us have six frontal lobes.Those six frontal lobes everything up.They allow us to break the laws of nature.And the problem is we don't realize how effective those frontal lobes are in changing the laws.So, what do you have to do?This is where my thesis I think becomes really important.You have to look at people and lives as the movie that's telling you the story of the electromagnetic story that's unfolding in front of you.But you especially have not put that together until I told you the story about animals in the forest, turtles in the water, or the thermal haline currents.Like you know all this stuff is going around you, but the problem is you haven't been able to collect all of them into a thesis that says, "Holy this is tied to the changing scope of the electromagnetism on
our planet."That's it, and it does nothing to do with us.It has everything to do with the movement of the spiral arm in our galaxy as it floats through a different part of space, and that wireless information is transmitted to us through Birkeland currents.What is the Birkeland current that we're most associated with?That's what auroras are in the North and South Pole.And that's how you see it.What's another one?The solar plasma.What do you know about the solar plasma?Been way more active lately.Why?Because how does the star that we revolve around try to restart the dynamo?It sends out solar shockwaves.Let me ask you a question.If Reggie White was alive today, how would I start his heart?I would give him a defibrillation, right?Shock the heart.That's exactly what the sun does to the Earth when its magnetic sphere gets weak.
Okay, that's what the Carrington event was in 1859.That's why it got weaker since then.If you want an ancient proof that I may be right, go pull up a topological map of Mars.You'll notice the Valles Marineris, the biggest hole in the universe, I should say in the in the solar system, is an electrical scar across the equator of Mars.Okay?4 billion years ago, it got hit with a massive CME.So massive that the north and south pole of Mars is missing 30 km of a rock.In other words, the two hemispheres are completely different.But guess what?You've never been taught that in northern Europe.You you've always been said, "Oh, look, it has the biggest volcano in the solar system.But what about this big trench that looks like a big electrical scar?"Oh, they try to tell you this is the same scar that the Grand Canyon is.
Well, that's really inconvenient cuz there's no water on Mars.So, what made it?The only water that's left is in the poles, then they'll say, "Oh, well, there used to be tons of water on it."And the solar wind stripped it.That's that's their That's the Greta Thunberg story.
Mhm.
Really what the story is is Mars lost its magnetics magnetosphere.And what happened?The sun tried to restart it.And it didn't work.Okay?We have another planet in the solar system that has this exact same story as Mars, except the physics is a little bit different.Venus.And you want to hear the big thing about Venus?Venus reacted very differently than Mars.It lost its magnetosphere.So, what did it do to offset it?It created massive amounts of CO2 in its atmosphere.Remember how we talked about the Earth and and how the thermal hail lines relate to the atmosphere above it?Well, it made so much greenhouse gas that it's so thick, the viscosity is so thick on Venus that it slowed the revolution and the rotation of the planet down 4 billion years ago.Now, it's the only planet in the solar system that spins the opposite way.
How do you like that?And
Mhm.
it also revolves the wrong way compared to all the other planets.But guess what?The physics of what happened to it is almost exactly the same as what happened on Mars, but with a little tweak.The oceans got turned into CO2.What did I tell you is CO2?It tries to protect it.How did we find all this out?In the '70s, '80s, and '90s, the Russians sent satellites up to Venus.And they found all this stuff.And here's the crazy part.You know how electricity, when we have lightning on Earth, goes from top down, from the clouds down?You know what it does on Venus?It goes the opposite way.It goes from the ground up.
That's crazy.That's crazy.
So, the reason I'm telling you this is not to spellbound you.It's to explain to you that the physics is the same, but the phenotype of the planet is different.This tells you how you can be a homo sapien and you can have trisomy 21, or you can have autism.In other words, it can lead to a different phenotype because the physics aren't exactly the same.And the point that I'd make to everybody, if they ask me, you guys haven't, but I'm going to tell you,
Mhm.
what will the end of the Earth eventually will be, I don't know, a billion years from now, we're going to be more like Venus and less like Mars.
Yeah.
Jack explains how to handle low sunlight by embracing darkness and cold rather than relying on artificial light. He argues that cold exposure and internal light production help restore magnetic resilience and support adaptation.
Wow.That's super interesting.A different perspective that we that we used to think about, but I guess that's part of the progress here on the podcast.But I I'll still like to ask you something a little bit more specific and down-to-earth now because we're seeing at at at at at our latitude, of course, that we have a lot of more sun scarcity, especially hereafter daylight savings.So, I'm I'm I'm curious and I don't think we have addressed this before, like, how would you approach the darkness because a lot of people in the biohacking longevity industry is talking about artificial light, whether it's from bluelight or infrared, whatever to to to to like kick-start the system even before the sun has risen.Like, now the sun is rising at I don't know, 8:00 or something like that.Would you embrace the darkness rather than turning on artificial light?
I I I I already know the answer regarding blue light, but also infrared light.Like, how would you approach the lack of sun in general?
I think this is pretty simple and I think our previous podcast covered this.I'm surprised you're asking me.You embrace the dark and you embrace the cold at the same time.Yeah.Why?Because the cold makes you more magnetic.If you're losing the magnetic field, cold compresses.When it compresses, what does that do?It creates more UP light inside.So, in other words, you turn the suns inside of you on.That sun creates UPEs.UPEs then stimulate chemicals in the inner mitochondrial membrane that cause melanogenesis.In other words, tans your inside.What else happens?You use OPN5.That's neuropsin.Neuropsin then begins the process of defragging the internal water lattice.This means you need to do deep CT.You two should be specialists at this.Why?Cuz you are built to do this.You are very You have a lot in common with the polar bear.
Okay?And you don't realize it or you don't live like that because the two frontal lobes say, "Hey, I need to go boom boom boom, you know, instead of getting in the cold water like the polar bear does eatingthe DHA.And when you understand that, instead of using artificial light in the environment outside in, create UPEs, endogenous light, to survive, uh, how shall I say, the cold unmagnetic winter by making yourself more magnetic by tapping your own animalmagnetism to make UPEs UPEs in you from singlet oxygen from your fat mass to turn the story completely around.
Yeah, but but but like I already knew the answer, of course.But but I think that people need a reminder because I'm addressed with the same the same stuff every time that I talk to people.
Like they don't need a reminder.Let me tell you why.They don't need the reminder.This is the part that you you frustrates you.I've told you this from the time we first met.Maybe 1% to 10% of people are going to get this story.Why?They are too addicted to their modern life, dude.They're not going to stop.So, here's your problem.Since your influence on Instagram, you have to cater to the retards.Uncle Jack doesn't.Okay?I cater to the 1% to 10%.So, I don't care about everybody else.I only care about the people that are willing to do the hard things of thinking.First principle thinking is much more important than your biohacks.Why?Because first principle thinking will make your biohacks better.Why?Because you'll subtract out the superfluous and focus in on the things that really move the needle when you truly understand how a magnetic declination affects your biology in the GPS coordinates that you've chosen to live your life.
Mhm.Let me ask you something then.Magnetic field of the earth getting weaker.And 2 months from now we get, uh, solar storm wiping out all of the technology.Um, what would your advice be to the people if they can't go and read your blog and we reach this status because something will happen at some point, right?What is your using the first principles, it's fine when we all looking at the internet and we all doing this.You're really smart.You know all of them by heart.But even though you're getting to 1 to 10% maybe 1% out of that 1% is going to understand what you're really talking about, be able to analyze it the way you are.What would your advice be to the remaining of the population like if something happens and and we really
Become the Maya.
Yeah.
Become the Maya.Observe nature.Like let me tell you this story.I'm going to tell you two stories.One story I think I've already told you.But this this will get to the point of the blockade of the electromagnetic antenna of the retards, okay?And why I don't care about it.So the first thing the Maya did, how you know that the Maya didn't know anything about quantum physics, they didn't know anything about any of this, but they were supreme observers of the environment.When corn could not grow at the 20th latitude, they knew they had a problem cuz they couldn't feed the people.What did the Maya shamans do?They noticed that around some of the buildings that their elders had built that the grass and the maze grew when it didn't grow out in the sun.And they thought, well, that's kind of interesting.
Maybe we should be doing something with the stones to help the the corn grow.In other words, what am I saying to you?Direct observations of nature.Then what else did they do?They started to realize that the water growing the corn was the big weakness.So what did they do?They started to put paramagnetic stones with rare earth elements in their pyramids over cenotes.And then they used that water to grow corn and they were able to last a long time.In other words, not quantum physics, but they said, "Hey, from empiricism, this works.We're going to keep doing more of this and less of this."That's exactly the case that I just made to Mads about darkness and cold.Now, let's flip it around.Let's give you a modern example.When you watch John Attenborough on YouTube and he tells you the story with the wildebeest, okay?
And the seasons change and the wildebeest eats the grass and all of a sudden the deuterium content goes up and it tells the wildebeest, "My stomach hurts.The deuterium level's higher.I have to cross the Nile River where all the crocodiles are to get to the place where the grass is better."So, from that little change in the environment, the wildebeest, millions of them, cross the water.Okay, maybe 15 to 1,000 get eaten,
Yeah.
but millions get across.
Yeah.
What's the story?Why do you care about the retards?Okay?Cuz nature doesn't.And I don't either.That's why I got the lesson and this is so hard for a northern European to get because you guys, you know, invite all the immigrants
I got it.Yeah.Everybody I got it.I got it.I got it.I'm I'm pretty sure I get what you're saying.I get what you're saying.
So, the point that I'm trying to make to you is nature always tells us, but do you see what nature's lesson is?See, that's where the electromagnetic antenna in you becomes important because I know there's going to be Bill and I watch this and they're going to say, "Fundamentally, I totally disagree with this doctor.I think he's crazy.I think, you know, he's got no empathy.You know, he's ignorant.He's arrogant."Whatever.But you two know me enough to say, "I begin to see some in this lesson.There's a wisdom here.Like if Jack is ignorant, that means so is the wildebeest, but you said it earlier.He paid attention to his gut instinct.That's where gut instinct comes from.
Electromagnetic fields, right?Yeah.
Correct.
Intuition.
The point that I'm trying to make to you is that nature always has a lesson.Like, why did I fundamentally go Like, you guys may not know this cuz you're part of the story.Um in 2024, I went to the North Pole.Then I went to the South Pole.Then I went around the globe.I went all over.And then Then what did I do?I went all around South America where the SAA is, where the magnetic field is weakest.Then what did I just do?I went and surveyed the whole Pacific Ocean.
Yeah.
Like, everybody who's following me on X knows that I've done these things.You know what none of you have ever asked me?Why you doing this?None of you guys think to find out the why.
I was about to ask.
So, you're been doing this for a long time because you were clued in.What was the thing that clued me in, guys?When the aurora in May of '24 showed up in Puerto Rico and at 12 South, I said, "That's not normal."Something has changed below my ability to see it,
Mhm.
and the aurora is the symbol.Do you know what the Mayans used?The aurora.Same thing.An aurora is a toroidal current coming from space down.So, one of the things that you need to pay attention to is you guys will see more auroras, too.But, what's the other thing in your atmosphere that you need to pay attention to?You're going to see this this fall and winter, much less sun, more cloud cover, and what does the cloud cover do?Allows more deuterium, tritium, and cosmic radiation in.So, when you start looking at all the feeds in northern Europe and wondering why your footballers are dropping dead, and wondering why fit people, not the fatties, are dying, you're going to remember this podcast with Uncle Jack, andhe's going to say, "Son of a This is another one of the predictions that he made."
The discussion shifts to body fat, obesity, and why Jack sees fat as protective rather than pathological. He explains fat as a biological buffer against magnetic stress, deuterium, and disease, using examples from babies, bears, and fertility.
Mhm.
Now, let me let me explain to you something else that I think Mads needs to hear more than you do.This whole thing about fatness, so you know that it's a a big disconnect between myself, the carnivore community, and most of the biohackers out there.They look at fat as bad, I look at fat as good.Why is that?Let's talk about what's published in the centralized literature that you may not know.Cuz this is very, very instructive.You know when a baby comes out of its mother, it's a fat ball of goo, it floats in the water.You can tell, look at Nirvana's uh first album cover.That's the That's there.What does the baby do?The baby can't talk, the baby can't walk, can't do anything, has an immature neurologic system.It basically uses all its sub-q fat to to mature its whole system, okay?
So, there a fat is very helpful.But your belief, and all the people that comes to see Mads, they're trying to lose their fat, okay?So, when you see that, then you start to go, why is it that humans, when they get older, get more subcutaneous and visceral fat?We look at this as a bad thing.I'm going to tell you it's a good thing.Now, does the centralized biology of lipids back me up?Yeah, let me tell you why.What do we know from things that are published?You know that babies have brown fat pad right back here.Mhm.When you put deuterium in brown fat, what happens to it?It turns to white fat.What happens when you have white fat and you put more deuterium in it?You get bigger expansion of the white fat.Now, if you have more deuterium in it, what happens with deuterium when you squeeze it?
It makes more UV light.Do you think I just gave you the feedback loop of exactly how fat is supposed to work?So, guess what?Subcutaneous fat and visceral fat is a lifeboat.It's like the Bitcoin of biology, and none of you realize it.So, this is the reason why fit people got taken to the woodshed by the jab and COVID.Why?Cuz they had no electromagnetic capacitor around their organs.When they went to the doctor, what did the doctor do?He put the tube in, gave them 70% oxygen.What did that do?It created singlet state UPEs that caused organ failure.
But didn't you say that it's
Well, let me finish.When I went back into the hospitals to see who is dying, was it true what Dr.Fauci said?That fatties were going to die or people like you, too?And when I went back to the ICUs for 5 years, guess what I found?People like you were dying, not people like me.So, what did it tell me?Told me that all the things that are published in lipid biology are true.But fat is protective, not pathological.But all the retards on on influencers that are on Instagram have it backwards.Now, remember the discussion we just had about intuition?I just showed you something neither one of you can argue with that a baby is born with 80% fat, immature systems, and uses that fat to mature itself.Okay, let's flip this around.
Not only that, if you go back to the Mayans age, probably being fat is probably also, you know, you you saw that as being very healthy back then.
Well, not only that, you want to hear something even crazier?
Yeah.
If you go to Mesoamerica and look, when they got closer to when the magnetic decline was the worst, they have pictures of their kings that all have protuberant bellies, which you wouldn't expect.Why?Because these are adaptations to protect themselves from a magnetic decline.Now, let's do a hard stop.10% decline, what do you know in the Maha?Oh, we have an obesity epidemic.You know what I'm telling you?We have a magnetic declination epidemic.And we have people reacting to it.
Mhm.
And let me tell you something.The reason why footballers are dropping dead cuz they don't have any electromagnetic capacitor to block the effect of deuterium.What did I just tell you about your own world?Cloud cover comes in when the magnetic field gets weaker, Van Allen radiation belts get closer, more deuterium and tritium fall on the earth.What else happens?More cosmic radiation comes in.People that have more fat or more protected.How do you know that?Data from SAR, from the cell phone.What does it tell you?Babies are more sensitive cuz they have less myelin in their brain.What is myelin?A fat.Like how many times do you need to see the lesson before you wake up?Because you know Mads, what I'm telling you right now is the most counterintuitive thing to influence in the world.
Yeah.
Here's what you don't know.All fats are chiral and um and this has huge effects.Why?Cuz it protects you from electromagnetic radiation.It protects you from alien magnetic fields and you don't realize it.
And that makes sense.Or do would you say that it's age dependent to babies and elderly people?Or what about those in between like me and Jacob in our 30s?And surely there must also be some sort of balance, right?I mean going down to like between 500 pounds
No, it's a feedback loop.This is what I'm trying to tell you.Just like autism is on a spectrum as a person's dielectric constant goes from 1678 the the answer for biology to protect itself is fat.Now, let's do another crocodiles for it.What do you know about bears that live by you?What do they do?They get really, really fat before they go under the ground and sleep.Like you know guys know this and I'm giving you another thing.Do we think torpor in or hibernation in bears is pathologic?Nope.But we somehow think that it's pathologic in humans.Why?We don't hibernate.So, we have much more sensible uh epigenetic systems and when you understand that this all comes down to the leptin melanocortin pathway, this is a feedback loop.You are designed This is the reason why people who are thin get more neurodegeneration and heart disease than fat people do.
But guess what?You've been told by centralized medicine fat people get it more.This is the reason why fat people live longer than skinny people.Let's do another heart stop.If you don't believe me, here's another crocodile story for you to chew on.Mads, when a woman comes to you in the in the gym and has a body fat of 6 or 7% is she infertile or fertile?
Mhm.Infertile.
She's infertile.Well, tell me why.Because optimal fat in a woman is 18 to 22%.What does that tell you again?Fat is protective.Like, how many times do I need to give you the story before you realize that you've been sold a Rockefeller line of from centralized medicine?
What did you just say?Just that a healthy lifestyle automatically calibrates into
No.What did you just say?A healthy lifestyle portends that you have a stable magnetic field.Mads, do we
not.
Do we have that now?
No, no, no, no, no.Not at all.No, no.
Nope.And there's the key.That's the reason why I pushed back on him earlier.It's a giant feedback loop.And you need to understand what happens when the slope of the line changes?The feedback loop also changes.
Mhm.
Okay?That's the reason why we have certain people that you know, are 500 lb and then we have other people on anorexia.Okay?
Explain again Can you explain again just quickly the feedback loop, how it works?
Yeah, the feedback loop is simple.When you're a baby, you get your fat mass from your mother in the third trimester.Why?You need the fat to turn it into deuterium depleted water, carbon dioxide, and heat in order to postnatally develop your brain and your organ systems.Why?Babies are this big.All three of us, none of us are that.We're all 6 ft.Okay?So, we have to grow.That is how we do it.And and we do that through the process of mitochondrial metabolism and making our own light.That finishes the body plan of Homo sapiens.Now, monkeys are different.They're born almost fully formed in all their organ systems.They're just small.They just need to have axial growth.Okay?They also don't have frontal lobes.So, they don't have to worry about that.Okay?Even though they're our nearest relatives.So, the feedback loop is this, that the mother is designed to offload her deuterium into the baby.
And then what happens?The brown fat turns to white fat.The white fat expands the mass.That white adipocytes then finish the body plan.Then what happens when you get to puberty?Right around puberty to about 25, 28 years old, that's when you have the less body fat.And then you start to accumulate body fat as all the organ systems become diseased or how shall I say, the water dielectric of each organ changes.Where the water dielectric changes, that's where the body fat will show up.
But surely there's also body fat connected to an unhealthy lifestyle.There must be a difference here or a difference.
No, I don't I don't think there is and I'll tell you the reason why because you have to realize, Mads, and this is where you're fighting against the paradigm that's put in your head.What I'm trying to explain to you because we haven't talked a lot about the science.What's the science really tied to?This Marcus inversion well that happens on the complexes.Remember we have complex 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.So, the fastest way for someone to get fat is to have a Marcus inversion well at complex 1 and 2.Why?Because when you eat food, what does this mean?The electrons that excited by light go straight down a gravity well.In other words, they can't tunnel to the next complex.So, what does the body do?It shunts those electrons and protons straight to the fat because they can't used.So what is the connection?
How do complexes communicate in the mitochondria?It's through something called the Dutton limit.The Dutton limit is how we tunnel electrons and protons, okay?So you guys have already learned from me that the inner mitochondrial membrane is functionally an electric conveyor belt that has magnetic fields associated with it.So the goal is to go from NAD plus, which is complex one, all the way to oxygen.Well, people who have Marcus inversion wells in one and two, they can't do that.Those are the people they got fat.So how could you get fat and have a healthy lifestyle?I'll give you a perfect example.We have a MMA fighter that just died, 43 years old, from Brazil.He lives in the SAA.He looks like Matt's.He dropped dead just the same way Reggie White dropped.So he lived a perfect lifestyle, but guess what?He got the same result.
So you need to understand what does fat mass tell you?That you live in a sub optimal environment or you have a sub optimal job or you spend too much time inside, okay?Therefore, you need to change that because anytime you put more food through the NASCAR car crash, which is what a Marcus inversion well is, you create more UPEs, you create more singlet oxygen, you create bigger fat mass.In some cases, say this happens in your brain, you get Alzheimer's disease.Like to to stay on point, do you know what happens with a mother who uh gives gives the baby gestational diabetes?This is actually how the baby gets type 1 diabetes.Okay?It's all laid out on my form and my blocks.So when you actually see it, it's also the way we get childhood cancers because what does the mother decide to do?
The placenta is offload her deuterium into the baby cuz the baby needs the deuterium to expand its own fat mass to finish its growth program.But what happens if that feedback loop is up?That's where childhood diseases come in.
Jack gives a detailed explanation of his mitochondrial feedback loop involving melanin, prohibitin, OPN5, and sirtuin pathways. He describes how light, fat, and water chemistry combine to repair cells and maintain health.
So we we need fat.
Well, not not only do you you need fat, but you need to understand and I think this is what Mads was asking me but not understanding because he's still his mind is in the old paradigm.The decentralized paradigm tells you that the feedback loop is huge, okay?Leptin melanocortin feedback loop and you guys know this is probably the thing that's made me the most famous on the internet because I'm an expert about those things.And I want you guys to understand how that feedback loop really operationally works.So, we we have to If you want to spend some time on it, we can do that and I can explain to you exactly how it goes, okay?So, there's a paper that I would tell all of you to look at.A guy named I think his name is Gus Rossinger.Uh he The name of the paper, the title that you can search is mitochondria give cells a tan.
And this is the beginning of the leptin melanocortin feedback loop.When you integrate this paper into my thesis, you immediately begin to realize it's creating a subatomic signaling program uh into melanin which becomes one of our key defenses, okay?It works with neuropsin which is OPN5, lipid compression.So, what am I saying to you?Fat compression happens when you're spinning that fat out to use it through the process of mitochondrial metabolism.And then there's a heme and DDW photo repair layer that unifies the whole bio-optical mechanism.How does it work?So, the first thing that happens there's a a mitochondrial anchor, it's called prohibitin and it is the stress receiver of the system.There's a small molecule that hides in the inner mitochondrial membrane called melanogenin and it acts as a trigger to induce hyperpigmentation specifically in prohibitin and this is very conserved in mammals.
It's a scaffold protein and it's localized, as I said, to the inner mitochondrial membrane.When fat gets compressed what does it do?It creates these UPEs that are made from metabolism, okay?You know that all fat is broken down into three key things.Water CO2, heat, and UPEs.That's the key.Those are the steps in the feedback loop.So, the sensor prohibitin is responsible for stabilizing the structural morphology of the mitochondrial crista.Those are all the curves that you see when you look at a mitochondria.And this manages the tunneling speeds of the respiratory complexes.So, when the IMM experiences a localized magnetic interference or energetic stress, which is what Mads is screwing up in his head, he calls it unhealthy life, it's actually an electromagnetic stress.Prohibitin acts as the primary mechanical and chemical sensor and what does it do?It affects the downstream targets of melanogenesis.
So, this is the literal originators of the leptin signaling pathway that you guys know go to the brain.So when you layer this structural target into my decentralized biophysical circuit that I've laid out over 20 25 years you see a complete cyclical workflow of cellular protection that actually repairs disease also repairs injuries, but also develops thebody plan of a baby into an adult.They're all the same thing used at different times.So, what is step A?The structural disturbance.The environmental field has to have an interference, either electric or magnetic, that drops the IMM's 30 million volt charge below a normal threshold.This moves the load off center on something we call the Smith chart.And it's not important for this discussion to get into a Smith chart, but the Smith chart has to do with how electric charges are handled in terms of geometry on the inner mitochondrial membrane.
And what is the effect of this altered Smith chart?This changes the topology or the geometry of the respiratory complexes, and it means they move further apart.So, they're out of their normal 8 to 10 angstrom spacing, and they go above 14, which is called the Hutton limit.This effectively alters the confirmation of prohibitin on the cristae arches.Okay?Step B is the pigment call to arms.This is the disruption of prohibitin signals and the melanogenesis pathway that immediately begin to produce melanin from POMC and alpha-MSH.This confirms what the Rostan paper that I just mentioned earlier dictates.Mitochondrial metabolism dictate the endogenous tan.The endogenous tan dictates the endogenous melanin in you.This is the adoption of last amp that the Neanderthals didn't have that we as Homo sapiens have.Melanin is then actively recruited to serve as a massive broad bay broad-based optical photonic shield and or a semiconductor, the way I like to think about it, that is placed around the energetic engines, meaning the mitochondria.
I've mentioned this in a recent podcast with Stephanie Seneff and Cameron Board.If you actually look at the epical caps of mitochondria on electron microscope, you'll be stunned to realize that there's a screen of melanin that's created right around them.That's the reason why this paper was a big deal.So, what's the the third step in the loop?The isotopic compression of the light flash.To clear out the high entropy state, this is the state that Mads calls unhealthy, the state that Jack calls it calls magnetic interference or electric interference, the adipocyte battery, the white fat mass, that network all over your body,including the viscera, tissue layers begin to drive a spatial compression and heavy deuterium lipids.So, it means all the body, even the proteins, anything where deuterium's there, goes through an internal compression.Remember when Mads asked me the question, Jack, when it gets dark, what should we do?
I told you to get in the cold water.That augments this internal compression when you burn fat.And it acts as a non-thermal light generator.And this liberates high energy vacuum ultraviolet light all the way to UVA light endogenously.And that lights up the tissues photoelectrically.Step B.OPN5 and the circadian clock recovery access.This newly generated melanin semiconductor from this system captures the internal UV flux, channels it directly to option number five, which is neuropsin.What do you guys know about that?It's a UVA detector.It also responds to near infrared light.And it's mapped really well in the the repair slide that you see in all my blogs and even on X that I posted literally thousands of times.What's part of that photo repair slide?The mTOR route where the UV light goes.OPN5 neuropsin fuels NMM PT.I'll say that again for those slow in the class.
NAM pathway This regenerates NAD positive which is complex one, okay?When NAD positive is recycled this drives sirtuin number one to adjust the metabolic flux along the inner mitochondrial membrane.What is it effectively doing?It's popping out deuterium from NAD D plus to make it NAD plus and it's also doing something else.It's optimizing deuterium depleted water at complex four, okay?Once sirtuin one alters the metabolic flux, it clears out all the heavy deuterium blocks that was buried in your fat and what does this do?It stabilizes the quaternary geometries of the respiratory proteins.Going to explain this to you very simply cuz you two and me haven't had this discussion.I've had it in recent podcasts with Andreas and Cameron.Cytochrome uh four or complex four is well known for CCO, that's cytochrome c oxidase.It has a conical or vortex geometry with two phosphate groups like this.
Between these two phosphate groups, that's where protium is held.You need that and copper 65 with that geometry to make deuterium depleted water.So sirtuin one helps this.What's the clock route that is simultaneously going on in my photo repair slide?The 380 nanometer UVA light input then begins to synchronize CRY / PER clock periodicity means the internal molecular clocks in you tick more accurately and this happens between the AMP dash LKB energetic axis.What does this all do?Forget about all the things cuz you can go back and listen to this on the repeat and learn it.It allows the cell to cleanly absorb protective infrared A light from the environment meaning 600 to a a thousand nanometer light.That's the light that Max Gerson likes to talk about.She talks about Zimmerman, Fosbury, everybody else.That's what all the guys who saw rights red lights want to tell you.
But none of that matters until everything I told you before this happens first, okay?This is the reason why I don't shill red lights, okay?So, what is the point here?The point The point here is to preserve protein translation and also to complete complete genomic photo repair.In other words, it removes the deuterium from all the things in the base chains.It reduces the atomic mass on RNA and DNA so that you become as light as possible where it matters the most which is in your DNA and RNA.So, the centralized model of dermatology abused the tan as a superficial response to an external sunburn.That's the optimal dermatologist's opinion.They view mitochondria strictly as chemical ATP factories.Under my unified decentralized framework that I just gave you from all these feedback loops and we cut them fast.Rosanya's evidence about how mitochondria tan your insides reveals that pigmentation is a direct mitochondria led quantum defense network that uses adipocytes as its key tool and the organelle meaning the matrix, senses its own subatomic field deficits through the
sensor prohibitant, and this commands the synthesis of its own melanin force field semiconductor shield, and this utilizes the compressed UV light buried in fat to drive OPN5, which is neuropsin, and the Sirtuin clock loop to physically rebuild itsown zero loss impedance match in a mitochondria.That is how you find the fountain of youth.This is how you stay healthy.This is how it all works.This is the last 25 years of my work I just gave you in about 5 minutes.
The hosts press Jack on why his fat-centered model conflicts with mainstream health beliefs and body-image norms. He argues that fat mass often reflects environmental stress and that social judgments about appearance obscure the real biology.
Perfect.That's impressive.
Um so that's why we'd like to talk to you, Jack.
So that's the problem.I don't I don't like to talk about this because, you know, the problem is I think you know this, that a lot of people are not facile with the biochemistry, but what I'm trying to explain to people isthe biochemistry doesn't matter.This is why your point, Jack, if they lead an unhealthy life, you you looking at a mitochondria like AT- ATP machine.It's not.It's the biophysical levers that control the biochemistry.That's the key to this loop.
Yeah.Makes sense.So if I, someone who's not so much into it like you two are, would understand it.The problem is not being overweight.The problem is being overweight and immersed in blue light.It's to sit inside and watch Netflix and Jerry Springer.
Oh, I would tell you that being overweight tells you that you have the force field helping you.I think being skinny like you two, you don't have the ability to set No, but I'm saying you don't have you don't have but you don't have the same capacity to offset the Faraday effect from technology or magneticdecline
Yeah.
as someone So the point
about the body type that that that can't really get fat?I mean, for instance, I have a a younger brother.He cannot get like my brother even he eats candy and whatever, he won't get fat.And there's some people, there's quite a lot of people they can't get fat.
Mhm.
Yeah.
There's not There's not that many.There's not that many.You know why?I'm going to tell you the reason why.Anorexia is pretty rare.Cachexia is also seen in cancer.Do we have an anorexia cachexia uh epidemic or do we have an obesity epidemic?
Obesity.
There you go.So, again, when you give me the beliefs that you have, realize I know why you have those beliefs because they're built around false narratives from the centralized market.
Isn't obesity good then?
Obesity is good to a degree, but what does obesity tell you?It is Can obesity be pathological just like oxygen can be pathological just like water can be?Yeah.If you're 500 lbs at 30 years old, it tells you that you live in a environment.Okay?And you need to change that about you, and all the things that Mans teaches people on Instagram, those are good things that per person should do that.But the point is, and this is what I think both of you are missing.What does my thesis fundamentally say about fat?You look at fat people and say, "These people eat too many calories.They have excess energy."What my theory says, fat people have an energy deficit because they can't tunnel electrons and protons on their inner mitochondrial membrane.It's 180° opposite what you guys believe.And that that is the key part that you both keep missing.
That is the reason why you believe that your friend who can't get fat, trust me, they just haven't reached their threshold yet.Okay?But when they do reach their threshold, you will see it manifest.Like, I would tell you if you guys don't believe me, they do this stupid on Twitter all the time.Like, what did you look like in 2004 and what do you look like at 60?Go look at those pictures and tell me what you see.You see a change in fat mass.Okay?That's what you see.And and I say this all the time, imagine you know I say it to Saladino to Attia to Shawn Baker to all these meat heads out there.If everybody was designed to look like Michelangelo uh David, how come we don't see 85 to 95 year old guys?That's the state of affairs.No.
We see short little fat guys who live to be 100 years old.Fat mass protects their brain from neurodegeneration.And you're going to be laugh when I tell you this.This is the crazy part.Neurodegeneration is much more common in thin people.Here's another thing.Remember I told you the exhaust fumes of fat is also CO2?Do you know that we now have data that if you take a non-rebreather mask and put CO2 on people have Alzheimer's, their brains get better.Oh.So, there you go.The exhaust gas of fat actually helps the brain get better cuz the deuterium depletes.So, what I'm trying to explain to you is that life is the process of using deuterium through your fat to finish your organogenesis, dry photo repair, make you fertile, and allow you to age for really long time olderthan other monkeys.That's the purpose of fat.
The problem is when that loop gets up, that's when fat becomes pathologic.Okay?And that's the way we should think about it.Okay?Fat by itself, visceral fat by itself, is not pathologic.We just have doctors out there that believe it.
It makes sense.
Yeah, it definitely makes sense.
But it's still a new paradigm and something we need to get used to.
a new paradigm.Your paradigm
paradigm for me.Yeah.
Your paradigm is new, and I'll tell you the reason why.My paradigm is based on how mammals operate.
Yeah.
Like I got this you.Wildebeest have been doing this a long time.Bears have been doing it a long time.We just been talking about this for 120 years, bro.You believe the Rockefeller Flexner report, And I even told you to where to look in their paradigm to show you the papers on lipids are out there.You want to ruin brown fat, add deuterium to it.You want to expand white adipocytes, add deuterium to it.It's all there.Then you got to say so okay, does nature make mistakes?No.Why did she do this?I just gave you the story why it happens.I even gave you the whole feedback loop.
Yeah.
So we got to do the same
now why you don't want to argue with retards?
Mhm.
I only want to I only want to have the discussion with the 1 to 10% who are going to take what you and I have said in this podcast, take and do the due diligence, read the papers Isaid, examine the feedback loop, and then get back with me and say, "Fuck, I just learned something."
But you see it's also a lot of them also social constructs that we made along the way.Are you have to look a certain way and you have to eat a certain way.And it seems
you to I want you to stop there for a minute and think about something because this is a great point you're bringing up.I agree with you 100% about this.But can I I'm going to ask both of you this question on your own podcast and I'd like you to answer this.
Yes.
You know my facade doesn't look like Mans.Okay?And everybody knows that.But the social construct is let's make fun of Jack.How come the social construct is Mans and your brain don't work like mine?Why don't we make fun of you two as being retards?
Mhm.
A- Answer me that question.
get it.
I can answer you the question.That's because everything is upside down.And I see it in my own approach where we try to build bodies instead of build functionality.So we look at the aesthetics.We try to reverse engineer the body by building, I don't know, six-packs and uh instead of real function.And I And I think it ties into what
To be frank.
100%
Can I understand it correctly?you're saying why do people uh act negatively toward your stuff and not negatively toward your Is this what you mean online?
Yeah, because guess what?I can give you There's a a thread on my forum that's called check the zip codes.Everybody that's dying every they all have six-packs.I I I famously talk about my friends and Charles Poliquin is probably the best example that comes to my mind.He's a good friend of mine.He's now dead.He died at 58 years old.He looked better than Mads in the coffin.Okay?He died exactly the same way Reggie White died.Heart stopped.Magnetic stall.Okay?But here's the bro- here's the problem.Your social construct said, "This is impossible for this to happen."Why?Because when your facade looks like David, you can't die.But guess what COVID taught us?
story?
Those are the people that are dying.
No, for sure.I mean, if you ask me you asked us the question why.If you want to
asked you the question why.I'm I'm waiting for your answer.
Well, my answer is this answer.My answer is this.I believe that most people act out of fear instead of passion and I think that you have great passion for what you do.I think people are scared of that.And I think they would rather take the fear-based solution, which is if I look good, everyone will accept me as who I am uh and they get scared of the approach that you come with because it's so upsidedown that they think they're going to be outcast.They're not going to be accepted by the rest of the people uh even though what you're saying looking way more sensible.
Who cares about being outcast when you're alive and the other ones are dead?Do you understand why now I don't listen to the retards?
Oh, for sure.No, I get it.Um But that's what I think.That's why I think that a lot of people like to hate on you is because they are actually kind of scared of what it is that you're saying.It means that we have to break everything apart and many people are not ready for that.
No, I'm not.
Jack broadens the discussion to human violence, social collapse, and the limits of politics, tying them to environmental disconnection. He also explains his views on Bitcoin, fiat money, surveillance, and decentralization as part of a larger adaptive framework.
I will tell you I agree with what you're saying, but tell you both my perspective on this because I think my perspective you may not like it, but it's it's really what drives me.
Mhm.
Curiosity and truth.I know what I've just told you is absolute axiomatic truth from mammals.It is an inconvenient truth, but is the way we work.Do you want to know the reason why we're built this way?Why does feedback loop go crazy?Goes back to what I said to you in the beginning of the podcast.The Earth's magnetic field has never been stable.So, it has to have a feedback loop that responds to a variable magnetic field.The problem is when that magnetic field is extremely variable, this feedback loop goes awry.
Yeah.
That's the key.And why is it built like that?Because for 4.6 billion years, the magnetic field on Earth has never been stable.
Yeah.But that's also why it's not stable.
stable from the Cambrian explosion till now, but the truth is if you look at the Cambrian till now, there's even periods there where the magnetic field got extremely strong in the Carboniferous.Oxygen levels on Earth went up to 35%.This is when we had massive uh dinosaurs.We also had massive insects, massive fish.You know, that's like the Megalodon you hear about.That was in the Carboniferous period.That's, you know, 320 years million years ago.You want You want to know what's interesting about that time?That's actually when mammals first began to evolve on the planet.320 million years ago.So, guess what?Oxygen went from 35% to current 21 22%.Mammals evolved in that time.So, what am I telling you is happening now?When magnetism gets weak, that's when that's when oxygen level tensions go down.That's what I tried to explain to you in the thermohaline.
And when you begin to see it everywhere else, you go, "So, this is the reason why we're responding so vehemently to this because our system reacts to it."What's that system?It's the feedback loop that I just told you is buried on the inner mitochondrial membrane.
I'm right.The electromagnetic fields, right?Which makes you emotionally not unstable, it just makes you feel a certain way and the intu- intuition is what we need to trust more instead of all this we're being said by these social countries because your intuition isyour nature.
Your frontal lobes override your intuition, but why does that happen?It's because the antenna that's built into your thalamic GPS is corroded, meaning you don't have as much melanin there.That's the whole thing I'm trying to get through to you guys.Why the process is fundamentally broken because when you see it from the 100,000-ft view, then you begin to realize why I look at telluric currents.Why I look at what's happening in Andromeda, other galaxies, the Birkeland currents, the auroras, the oceans, because it helps me understand what's happening on the nano, auto, and femto levels on your inner mitochondrial membrane when the geodesic, theway you guys look at the inner mitochondrial membrane is linear from NAD to oxygen, when realistically, it's like a roller coaster.Each complex is a roller coaster.Yeah.And And you already know from physics that light can be both a point or a wave.
And what I'm telling you is when light gets more wavy, this feedback loop gets a little bit more crazy.And that
That makes sense.
is what Naughty calls unhealthy living.It's really because the environment has an unhealthy electric and magnetic field, and it creates more of a roller coaster effect on the inner mitochondrial membrane, and that disassociates the complexes from each other.Optimal healthy life is designed to make a connection between all the complexes to get us from NAD to oxygen.And anything that blocks us from that creates a problem.
Mhm.Do you have something to add?
Yeah, but you also have something
Oh, just just go ahead.Go ahead.
Okay, I wanted to ask you, Jack, uh because to me this all gets a little bit, you know, like um how to say?Not spiritual, but in a way like we can't just be the victim in from the universe itself.I mean, what do you I just want to know like what is your point of view on like why are these things happening?Is it some sort of communication?Is because we ready to get pushed or like kicked in the ass by nature or what is it?
The environment is telling us it's time for us to adapt.And if you wanted the truth what I'm saying, I think humanity has done more bad things to the environment and now the environment is pushing back.It's the ultimate feedback loop.
Yeah.
If you want to know the truth, let's use a microcosm of something going on that nobody wants to talk about.Humanity is is capable of what's going on in Gaza.Do you think that the rest of the planet doesn't realize this?I mean, we see the effect in the UN.We see the effect in elections everywhere.But you know what the problem is?Is anybody in the world doing anything to stop it?Nope.So what does that tell you?Tells you that our GPS antennas in our head, our frontal lobes, even when you see a car crash, we're not doing anything to stop it.Here's the crazy thing.You guys happen to know this.Has humanity done this periods before?Yeah, that's what I would tell you is the Holocaust.I would tell you that's what the Crusades were.I would tell you that's what the Viking raids were on on Germany and also on England.
Like we have this problem and don't realize you like to call it spirituality.I will tell you that it's absolutely biophysical.When we lose a connection with our environment,
Mhm.
violent, we become emotionally charged, and we become sick.
Yeah.
And the sicker we become, the more atrocities we become capable of.
Mhm.So it's a natural cycle.
I don't believe you can believe it's spiritual, but I believe if I can convince the people that listen to this podcast that we can get more into nature, be more like a wilded human, I think that things thatare going on in the Middle East right now, things that are going on in Washington D.C.probably wouldn't happen.People like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk would probably fade to the mist.But because those people exist, they're going to keep pushing the envelope.And what you have to do as a a wise wilded human is to avoid that pressure.You have to be just like the wildebeest and understand that these people are putting more deuterium in my environment and this is not good for me.They are degrading my uh electric field.They are also creating magnetic interference and this is affecting my life.And this is the reason why I have a problem.
Therefore, I need to understand that from a teleologic basis so that I can adapt.And for me, I can tell you the big effect that I've tried to explain to you guys, me moving out of the United States and moving to El Salvador has subtracted me from a lot of that.Why?I no longer care about what's going on in politics in the United States.I don't really care what's going on in the politics of the world.But what is the ultimate reflection for me that I pay attention to that I've shared with you guys in the last podcast?It's fiat money.Fiat money is the facade.This is the six-pack that tells you just how up things are in the world.Because when money fails, society fails, okay?And I've tried to make that case to both of you before and why do you understand that I'm a big believer in Bitcoin?
Because I believe the further we get away from fiat money, which I think is the ultimate demise of most of the things in humanity, then I think we can re-wild ourselves.And that's why I think focus more on decentralization than centralization.That is the core that I think underpins my light, water, and magnetism thesis.
So, before we end up speaking of Bitcoin, I want to address something because last time we spoke, I believe it was Was it December 24?It
Yeah.
And Trump was just installed, right?And he had all of these big promises about Bitcoin and But what happens in the in the months afterwards was that was created these rumors about Epstein Epstein being the founder of Bitcoin and all of a sudden yousaw this huge drop and since that time for I don't know a year one and a half it's been down there and it like it's keeps it keeps being stopped.Like do you think that there's a hidden agenda to it from the Trump administration or anything else or what could be the cause?
I don't think that it's the hidden agenda.I would I would tell you guys that it's exactly what we talked about last time but I think it's interesting you're asking me this because I don't think you've made the proper diagnosis based on what we talked about.I want to give you my proper diagnosis and then maybe you guys can reflect on it.What Trump has effectively done is he's carried out the same program that the communist Bolsheviks did in Russia in 1917.He took an idea that was sold to the people as good but then changed it.So in the United States Maga became Mega.Mega is again associated with the bankers.The bankers Rothschild and Rockefeller their goal is to control through money.You now have another faction in the Mega area that they're now trying to use surveillance technology to control.So therefore the money is not that important.
So what did Trump effectively tell us?That you can have your Bitcoin.You can have your fiat, you can have your shitcoins but ultimately we're going to control you through surveillance technology.Now the problem is he didn't tell us that when he was being elected.This is what manifested after the election and we began to see how he didn't care about the vaccines, he didn't care about this and that.We were told the same thing from Bobby Kennedy.Bobby Kennedy was going to come in to HHS and make everybody healthy.He went immediately the first thing and started working on Fruit Loops and red dye number four instead of the shots.So, that began to tell you right away that the the system
in politicians, yeah.
Yeah.Oh, it's not only politicians, but I would say to you like this that the solution will never be through politics.I think that's something that I think Americans and Europeans probably can agree on.Right now, you guys are probably even further down the pipe with the CBDC than we are in the states.We have a different CBDC coming through stable coins.Um but point that I'm trying to make to you is they are trying to control us
Mhm.
um in ways so that the veil of truth stays all the way to the end till you're in the corral, kind of like um you know, what happens with animals when you're trying to capture them all you know,off la pasture.And I think right now uh the people who are tied to the fiat economy are the ones that are being captured easier.I think the decentralized Bitcoiners, since it's still the fastest horse in the race even though it's centralized.To answer your question about the Epstein thing Epstein was involved with the OGs like uh Adam Back and now I think through Saylor to centralize the process, parts of the process.So, what is central now in Bitcoin?Probably the mining and the consensus mechanism cuz consensus in Bitcoin is really mob rules.I mean, know through the history of of government, specifically through the Greeks, Romans, and I would say Aristotle that democracy is the worst form of government.
Why?Because mob rules.And unfortunately, that is built in to Bitcoin.Here's the interesting thing.Much like the magnetic field varies I think the consensus also varies within Bitcoin.And even though right now we have some centralization because the Fabians and bankers have affected this process because of Trump uh do I think Bitcoin could be ultimately corrupted?By them, no, because the one thing that we know from history, even though the Rothschild and Rockefellers have been extremely powerful, uh there's been no one all the way back to Alexander the Great or Genghis Khan that hashad the power to change the the the drive for freedom and liberty um through humanity.And I think this goes to your guys' point earlier that we will always seek that issue.I think um there's always going to be some degree of divergence in humanity that always push back against this central centralized thread that comes from society or you guys like to call social construct or I would say it's
from social engineering.Um and I think the part that I I'm the most happy about about moving to El Salvador that I've become more in tune with that wilder aspect of myself
Mhm.
than I was when I was dumbed down by living in the United States.Like there is no illusions for me anymore that the politicians can change this.I now know that the enemies of freedom are in the three branches of government in the United States.What the United States effectively needs and what the world really needs is American Revolution 2.0.The interesting between you two and me is I believe American Revolution 2.0 began on January 3rd, 2009.That is Bitcoin.
Yeah.
And I think it's an electromagnetic war being waged through the proof-of-work.And the irony is everything that we talked about in this podcast on the biologic side is also a proof-of-work mechanism.What am I saying to you clearly about magnetic interference from the planet is that it destroys the proof-of-work concept in nature.And we need to constantly realize that so that we can adapt to places where we we're not living in a zip code with magnetic inclination.Because ultimately that will lead to our mitochondria being ATP machines and then we'll fall into the beliefs that Mads you know, was talking about earlier about the Rockefeller paradigm and 500 lb people and people dropping down from sleepapnea and why we kill people in Gaza.All those things I think are related.Again, abiotic or biotic, if you want to call it spiritual versus biotic.I'm okay with that.
I guess what I'm going to say to you guys is I want you to understand that when we're wilded, we're decentralized.When we're decentralized, we're healthy.
The conversation ends with a final exchange about intuition, belief, and how changing one's mindset can alter one's relationship to nature. They close by emphasizing curiosity, humility, and the idea that nature always wins.
Yeah.Can I ask you one last thing?
You can ask me whatever you want after time.
Is there is the corrosion of the frontal lobes and all that you talked about that is messing up this intuitive gut feeling that we have from nature?Could it be changed just by changing our mentality?Like let's say that, you know, you you you you start living not out of fear, but you start living out of passion just like you are and and then let's say those living out of passion would then, youknow, spawn these choices of moving to El Salvador or taking a walk in the forest and then that in turn would then, you know, add to the feedback.
What you're describing is uh Bruce Lipton's biology of belief and I do agree with that.Unfortunately Bruce thinks that the beliefs change the genes.I don't.I told you what I think in the feedback loop.Your beliefs, frontal lobes, the limbic GPS directly affect is the dielectric of water 160 or 78 or somewhere in between.Where your water dielectric is in my opinion determines your consciousness, your spirituality, your gut instinct your adaptability.So answer your question, yes.But I want you to understand then what I'm saying to you is you need to understand what changes the dielectric of water and it turns out guess what it comes back to.This is where you're going to be upset with me.Light water magnetism.That's the feedback loop.Yeah.And when you understand this, you you're going to be very very upset with me because you're going to want to frame it your way and what do I do to you all the time?
I always bring you back to the frame of nature.How does it all work?You have to not follow your recipe, you have to realize you are a thread in nature's quilt.You work her recipe and I have to put my fingers in your nose and drag you every time for you to realize it.And then when you realize it, we go away, you guys go do the things you do in your life and Instagram, I look from afar, we come back and we have a meeting like this and guess what?The podcast always end with the same story.Yeah.
Nature never makes mistakes.
No, for sure.No, but it's
Boom.
We all agree on the same thing and we all, you know,
But you know what we struggle with?When we go when you go to Asia or Mads stays in Northern Europe, I'm in El Salvador, our existence, our path, our journey takes us away, creates more waves on that inner mitochondrial membrane and sometimes we forget reallyhow it all works.And when you realize how it all works, you come back and you have a meeting like this and you go, "Okay, I got it.I need to do more to affect my water table so that I can remain spiritual, so that I don't want to hurt my common man."
Exactly.Just like when you take up your old uh blog from 2004.
Yeah, exactly.
No, but it's uh it's always interesting to talk to you, Jack.It really is.
Yeah, we have to do this more often.Like we have actually had a break.
something.When I'm dead, I got to make sure that you guys are able to have these discussions with new people there.So, that's the reason we put this in the can so that humans that come beyond us, this is like old shaman wisdom.We have the old parables, we tell the story,
Yeah.
and then hopefully the young ones who have too much fat and not enough myelin yet, when they get big and strong like you two, then they begin to understand the story of the wildebeest, the story of the crocodile,the story of the polar bear.
Yeah.
The story of the last job event, the story of Neanderthals, and the story of Andromeda, the story of our spiral arm, how everything connects to everything, and that we our actions are the string that pulls the entire fabric.It's the ultimate butterfly effect.
Mhm.
But people don't realize it.How we choose to live our life pulls on that string that's tied to But nature always wins.She always gets a toll when you go off the beaten path.
Mhm.
For sure.But it makes sense because we all have that tiny electromagnetic field field that goes into the bigger one, right?It's it's it's the fra- it's the fractal universe.It's it's the holographic universe, right?
When you say fractal, that's the whole thing I'm telling you about scaling.We go from
See, I get it, Jack.
table to us.
The vegan gets it.
Yeah, and but see, that's a beautiful thing because for me, when I see it,
Mhm.
it makes me happy
Mhm.
because these are the kind of things this is why I think these podcasts are worthwhile because some people in the audience may not think they're worthwhile, but I think the 1 to 10% the people who are really onthat journey of curiosity, who really want to know the truth, this is like a course correction.This is like you going to the bridge and looking at all the GPS
and say, "Yeah, I got to fix this.This is clearly a problem."And you know, I know Jack's been talking about this and that, but he just laid out the entire feedback loop that we work on.And no, I don't understand this, but I need to understand it better so that I can adapt it to my life even better.So, the next time these guys have a podcast, maybe I get another layer to the onion so I get more nuance of how it works.
definitely Thank you so much, Jack, for your wisdom.It's been too long, and please tell Santol to let me know whenever you're in Europe again because the physical link up it's just Yeah, it is something special.
I don't think I'll be going back after my last time in Prague.I kind of kind of let the room on fire there.
You got to stay locked in.Why not?
Then we have to visit Jack.
Yeah.Well, actually, I will tell you Well, after after we get off, stay on and I'll tell you.I don't want to say it on the air.
thank you as well before we get off.And you know, thank you for your passion.It's really really admirable, and I think to me, that's the biggest inspiration.It's just to see how passionate you are, and you know, I love it.So, thank you so much.
Thanks, my friends.