# S4 - The Bob Lazar Story: Disclosing His Total BS

**Channel:** Think This Through
**Source:** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFfstHzwV6k
**Transcript page:** https://www.withtranscript.ai/video/vFfstHzwV6k

## Chapters

- 0:14 — Bob Lazar and the Documentary Setup
- 2:34 — Debunking Bob's Education and Career
- 6:41 — Examining the S4 Story Claims
- 14:32 — Flying Saucer Designs and Alien Lore
- 20:41 — The Test Footage and Final Doubts

## Transcript

**[0:14] Speaker A:** Bob Lazar is the biggest name in the whole freaking UFO world. All because in 1989 he went on television claiming to be a physicist working near Area 51 to reverse engineer flying saucers from outer space. His story is so popular that. Get a load of this. The most watched episode of the world's largest UFO friendly podcast is Bob Lazar.

**[0:40] Speaker A:** He beat out Donald Trump, who I'm sure is not at all jealous. He's usually very gracious about coming in second. And this Joe Rogan episode, by the way, is what inspired the whole storm area 51 meme a few years ago.

**[1:01] Speaker A:** Also coincidentally, right after that Joe Rogan interview, a guy named Luigi Vindatelli decided to spend 2020 making a 3D computer model of Bob's flying saucer. Cause what else are you gonna do during 2020 in lockdown, am I right? And that little hobby spiraled into obsessively recreating a full virtual reality simulation of the entire secret underground base from Bob Lazar's memory.

**[1:25] Speaker B:** Everything was recreated according to his memory. Spending time with Bob was not just like one or two shoots. I mean, this is almost like a three year project.

**[1:34] Speaker A:** And then the project morphed into a whole documentary film to rehash the same story that Bob's been telling since 1989, but this time with super cool graphics. And his movie was picked up by Amazon, the company that's brought you other quality shows about weird aliens, like Melania. Luigi's documentary is called S4 the Bob Lazar Story. And in it he sought to do more than just show off his cool UFO graphics.

**[1:59] Speaker A:** He wanted to tell the story of the real Bob Lazar.

**[2:02] Speaker B:** There's something that the whole world missed out on throughout the ages of this story being out is the fact that we've always focused on what Bob did at S4 or at Area 51, working on flying saucers. But there was a lot left out about who Bob Lazar actually is as a human being.

**[2:19] Speaker A:** I couldn't agree more. Let's look at who Bob Lazar actually is as a human being, including a few inconvenient facts this movie happen to leave out, shall we?

**[2:34] Speaker A:** Alright, before we get into this documentary, I just want to say if you believe in aliens, that's fine. Maybe there are aliens out there somewhere. Who am I to say? Maybe they even visited Earth at some point. Or maybe they will in the future.

**[2:47] Speaker A:** I don't know. I have no proof one way or the other. But what I can prove, absolutely prove, in so much as anything can be proved in a YouTube video is that Bob Lazar is not a physicist. He does not have a degree from any university. He made that up.

**[3:03] Speaker A:** So he definitely did not work as a physicist at Area 51 or S4. So whatever. The government is hiding there. And sure, they're probably hiding something. Bob Lazar has never seen it. And I will prove all of that to you as we get through this documentary. So let's get started. After a quick tease of their special effects, the movie opens with Bob and his third wife at their ranch.

**[3:27] Speaker B:** Wow, that's a big carrot you got there.

**[3:29] Speaker A:** You'll notice the conspicuous lack of SWAT teams or.

**[3:32] Speaker A:** Or men in black or anyone from the government caring about him whatsoever. And then, unironically, it cuts back to 1989, when Bob first blew the whistle anonymously. If he revealed his true identity, he said the government would definitely, definitely come get him.

**[3:48] Speaker B:** There's really no way I can prove it without revealing my identity and getting myself into more trouble than I have already.

**[3:54] Speaker A:** Well, it couldn't have been too much trouble, because a few short months later, he went ahead and revealed his identity in a second interview.

**[4:00] Speaker A:** And the government did not come to get him. But according to Bob, they did something worse. They deleted his two physics degrees from Caltech and mit. And let me tell you, they did an incredible job, because to this day, those schools have no record of him attending. Not a single class roster or a single name or photo in any yearbook.

**[4:24] Speaker A:** How did the government change all those yearbooks? And not a single professor or student at MIT or Caltech remembers him ever being there. That's a lot of memories to erase, including Bob's, because he also cannot name a single professor or classmate except for one. When asked this question directly, he named one professor who turns out to work at a community college. And that professor, when contacted, confirmed that Bob did attend community college at the same time he claimed to have been at mit.

**[4:57] Speaker A:** So pretty massive government coverup here. And erasing Bob's diplomas was a really nice touch because he doesn't have those either. Or, you know, a simpler explanation is that Bob didn't actually go to MIT or Caltech, and he lied about it. But, hey, don't take my word for it. It's time to introduce the other main character in this documentary.

**[5:17] Speaker C:** My name is George Knapp. I'm an investigative reporter, former anchor at klastb, and I'm the guy who broke the story about Bob Lazar.

**[5:25] Speaker A:** This was the guy behind the camera in those 1989 interviews. If not for him, no one would ever have heard of Bob Lazar and, and he stood by his story and Bob all these years. But even he doesn't believe Bob went to MIT or Caltech.

**[5:41] Speaker C:** And I will confide to you this. I don't believe he ever went to those schools. I don't believe Bob Lazar could get a degree from Caltech or mit. Here's how I rationalize it is Bob would not be the first person to lie about his educational credentials in order to get a good job. As his friend of a long time, I've given him the opportunity. Bob, look, come clean on this. Let me know about if it's a lie. Come clean on it. Get it behind you. And he's never given me that satisfaction of saying, yeah, it's a lie.

**[6:12] Speaker A:** So I don't know why they left that clip out of this documentary, but I think it kind of gives you the whole picture of George's relationship with Bob. Whatever journalistic objectivity he had when he first did those interviews back in 1989, he now considers Bob his friend and he trusts him.

**[6:29] Speaker C:** Even.

**[6:29] Speaker A:** Even though he knows for a fact that Bob has been lying to his face for decades about being a physicist, he's cool with it. I mean, it's Bob. You know, they're buddies.

**[6:41] Speaker A:** So now the documentary gets around to showing what Bob is like as a person. And by that I mean they talk about his cars.

**[6:48] Speaker B:** My wife had a Honda Civic. And as it turned out, just looking at it one day, this. The hatchback really looked like a jet would fit in there. I just started taking it apart. And to her surprise, there was a jet in there in a short period of time. But she was okay with it.

**[7:08] Speaker A:** I'll bet she was. But which wife? Cause there were three. Well, according to the timeline, he's talking here about wife number one, Carol. And boy, did she have a colorful history. Before she met Bob, Carol was in prison for second degree murder, which she committed as a member of the criminal organization Hell's Angels.

**[7:31] Speaker A:** After serving her time, she and Bob and a few Hell's angel buddies of theirs owned and operated a brothel in Las Vegas until it went bankrupt. She was also a drug addict, but Bob stood by her until he cheated on her with another woman. Carol then committed suicide, and Bob, in his grief, immediately married the other woman, Tracy, who became wife number two. Bob may have had a type here because Tracy was also fresh out of jail on charges of committing forgery. Now, I'm telling you all this not just because it has bearing on who Bob is as a human Being.

**[8:08] Speaker A:** But even more importantly, what chance in hell, pardon the pun, does someone like that have of passing a security background check to work on top secret government property? Alien technology, no less. Just keep that question in the back of your mind as the story continues. Now back to the documentary where George shares the frustrating experience of trying to verify any of Bob's story.

**[8:34] Speaker C:** He came forward and spoke to us because he was afraid for his life.

**[8:37] Speaker C:** So I started trying to check out what's on his resume, where he had worked, where he'd gone to school. And it was an immediate roadblock. You know, MIT and Caltech both said, when we'll have any record of them. I thought, well, this series could end right here.

**[8:51] Speaker A:** Unfortunately it didn't because there was one small kernel of truth to the story.

**[8:57] Speaker C:** He said, look, I worked at Los Alamos. I was there. I was working in a scientific capacity on classified programs. That is a fact. And so I started a correspondence with Los Alamos and they were a pain in the ass right from the beginning.

**[9:09] Speaker C:** We don't have any record of them ever being there in any capacity. Sorry, but maybe he worked for Kirkmeyer. So I started a correspondence with Kirk Meyer. This is a company that is a headhunter. They hire people. They find people to fill positions, scientific and technical capabilities at places like Los Alamos Lab. You have records on a guy named Robert Lazar? And they said, yes.

**[9:31] Speaker A:** So the kernel of truth is that Bob did work at Los Alamos as a temp worker for a subcontractor who, and this is an important detail, doesn't hire physicists. Here's a typical Kirkmeyer job ad from the time period for an electrical technician, which is exactly what Bob Lazar was.

**[9:50] Speaker A:** As an outsourced technician. He did low level tasks like fixing their phone system until he got in big trouble, according to some sources, for abusing the phone system and using it to run a personal side hustle with taxpayers footing the long distance charges. That, of course, would have been very embarrassing for the Kirkmeyers reputation of quality outsourced temp workers. So they gave George the runaround when he asked for Bob's employment records. But George had a different interpretation of their reticence.

**[10:21] Speaker C:** Yes, we have them. No, we can't find them. No, we never had them. I knew they were lying to me. That really is a key moment for me because I knew that Los Alamos was lying to me and I knew that Kirkmeyer was lying to me and it pissed me off.

**[10:35] Speaker A:** Yes, it was a cover up. The government must be hiding something. So it's probably aliens. And George published the story.

**[10:43] Speaker C:** He says he was hired to work at an area called S4.

**[10:46] Speaker C:** At S4, he says are flying saucers, antimatter reactors, and other working examples of technology that is seemingly beyond human capabilities.

**[10:55] Speaker B:** Right, this came from somewhere else. I mean, as bizarre as that is to believe, but I mean, it's there. I saw it. I know what the current state of the art is in physics and it can't be done.

**[11:05] Speaker A:** The documentary now fills a bunch of time with details about how Bob supposedly made his top secret commute to his top secret job. There's a secret jet, a secret bus with blacked out windows which takes him to a secret bunker with a guarded door, and high tech hand scanner which opens the door to a secret hallway. And I just want to point out none of those details Bob gives actually proves he was there. For example, they make a big deal about this hand scanner.

**[11:33] Speaker C:** That whole hand scanner thing turned out to be real. How did he know that stuff?

**[11:36] Speaker A:** Well, probably from the magazines that he himself said he was reading at the time. Like this one, which was published well before Bob first told his story and gives all the technical details of this exact hand scanner Bob claims they used. Anyway, at the end of the sequel hallway is the top secret lab where government scientists are taking apart alien technology and trying to figure out how it works. And this, this is the most unbelievable part of Bob's story.

**[12:05] Speaker A:** And I don't mean the alien stuff. What's even more implausible than aliens is that Bob, in his first week on the job just gets to see the alien stuff. They just give the new guy top secret security clearance. Cause you know, he passed his background check with flying colors, I'm sure. Does he associate with known criminals? Yes. Does he have a history of fraudulent activity? Yes. Did we contact any of his family or friends to vouch for him?

**[12:35] Speaker B:** No.

**[12:35] Speaker A:** Can we verify his degrees and credentials? Also no. Okay, sir, you're good to go. So in this top secret lab that Bob definitely had clearance to see is a bunch of tech that I'm sure sounded impressive back in 1989 when Bob made it all up, but really, really has not aged well. First you've got a gravity wave generator which powered the ship's warp drive.

**[13:00] Speaker A:** Gee, I wonder where he got that idea.

**[13:02] Speaker C:** Warp drive? Mr. Scott,

**[13:06] Speaker A:** aside from the obvious sci fi reference, here's why that really didn't age so well. See, back in 1989, we couldn't detect gravity waves, so flying saucers could just buzz around us, I guess. And we'd be none the wiser. But thanks to the work of real scientists, we now have multiple gravity wave observatories around the world that would almost certainly notice a gravity powered ship flying by. Not to mention all of our satellites, telescopes, radar, sonar, heck, the entire space surveillance network that tracks everything orbiting the Earth.

**[13:40] Speaker A:** If Bob could see this thing with his naked eye, there's no way it would get past all of that. The other big detail in his story is the power source. Bob claims the ship was powered by the Then theoretical element 115. Well, in some early versions of his story he said 114, but he settled on 115 now, and that's his story and he's sticking to it. The only problem is it's no longer theoretical.

**[14:06] Speaker A:** Once again, real actual scientists have caught up with and surpassed Bob's science fiction. And they have created element 115 in their labs. In Bob's story, the element is solid, stable, and produces enormous amounts of power. Well, the real thing is nothing like that at all. The real element 115 is radioactive, highly unstable, and breaks down in a fraction of a second without producing any power at all.

**[14:32] Speaker A:** Oops. What's gonna power the flying saucer now, Bob? Luigi, I guess, doesn't care because now it's time to finally show off the whole reason he made this movie. His super cool CGI recreation of the flying saucer, which Bob is an unqualified temp worker, no security clearance definitely had access to.

**[14:51] Speaker B:** This particular disc, appeared to be in excellent condition.

**[14:54] Speaker B:** And because of its sleek appearance, I nicknamed it the sport model.

**[14:58] Speaker A:** And that's the big reveal. Bob found out the government had a captured flying saucer that just happens to look exactly like all the old flying saucer movies he watched as a kid. What a crazy coincidence.

**[15:11] Speaker B:** The exterior skin of the disc is metal, which is the color of unpolished stainless steel.

**[15:16] Speaker A:** Yeah, that's because in those classic sci fi movies, the wooden model were sprayed with metallic spray paint. That's why they looked like that. So we're just going with that as the real actual story, I guess. And then the government was like, what the hell? Why not let the new guy go inside the spaceship? Sure, we hired him just to work in the lab, but it couldn't hurt to let him poke around and learn all our secrets, right? The inside is a bit of a disappointment. I guess Bob ran out of ideas for what the inside of a flying saucer would look like, so he came up with nothing and he just went with that. Empty space, a couple of chairs and some weird writing. And then for no particular reason, the government decided to show Bob the rest of their alien ship collection.

**[16:00] Speaker A:** And both of those designs are really, really original ideas on the part of Bob.

**[16:06] Speaker B:** In the hangar adjacent to the sport model was another craft that sometimes I refer as to the jello mold or the. The Bundt cake.

**[16:14] Speaker A:** It's a what?

**[16:15] Speaker B:** It looks like a Bundt cake.

**[16:16] Speaker A:** What is it?

**[16:17] Speaker C:** It's a bunt. A bunt. Bundt bunt. Bonk, bonk, bunt.

**[16:25] Speaker B:** The other craft looked like a top hat or a straw hat. Straw carnival hat with a large brim on it.

**[16:31] Speaker A:** A top hat? Why not? It just sounds like Bob got his inspiration from a few objects he saw lying around his house. But okay, sure. And as long as they're showing him everything, why not give Bob a personal flight demonstration? That'd be icing on the Bundt cake. There's a hole in this cake and lots of holes in this story. Because if you thought that any of that was just a little improbable, get a load of what happens next.

**[16:55] Speaker B:** This technology that you've learned about thus far was brought here by some alien beings from the Zeta Reticulae one and two star system.

**[17:02] Speaker A:** Yeah, apparently they just let him read all the classified reports about the aliens too. Cause, yeah, that's totally part of his need to know access. Does Bob have any idea how security clearances work?

**[17:16] Speaker B:** These beings are from Reticulum 4, which is the fourth planet out from Zeta 2 Reticuli.

**[17:21] Speaker B:** This is the way star systems were referred to in these reports. They simply designate the name of the star and then number the planets from the nearest to the furthest from the star. Our star, the sun was designated as Sol and the Earth was referred to as Sol3.

**[17:36] Speaker A:** That's also coincidentally how planets are referred to in Star Trek.

**[17:39] Speaker C:** Captain's log, stardate 3715.3.

**[17:43] Speaker C:** While making a routine exploration of the

**[17:44] Speaker B:** unexplored Gamma Trianguli 6, these beings said that man was the product of externally corrected evolution. They said that man as a species had been genetically altered 65 times.

**[17:55] Speaker A:** That's also something that happened in Star Trek. But if I had to guess the exact source, I'd say Bob stole the idea from the book Chariots of the Gods, which makes that exact claim.

**[18:05] Speaker A:** Also without evidence. And then Bob brings in this sci fi trope, because why not?

**[18:11] Speaker B:** In the documentation, you saw some pictures of some creature, an autopsy of some type? Yeah, I had to do with a photograph and drawing of a dead creature with chest cut Open in a T fashion, the skin peeled back and what appeared to be one large organ as opposed to a bunch of smaller ones.

**[18:31] Speaker A:** So that's all the cool stuff Bob got to read about in these top secret reports that he totally had access to as a lab worker.

**[18:38] Speaker A:** I guess the government just mistook him for the filing cabinet and handed him everything. But, but in case all of this sounds too ridiculous, don't worry, that's part of the conspiracy too.

**[18:49] Speaker B:** He said take everything with a grain of salt because they'll, you know, intentionally inject ridiculous things in there so if anything ever gets out, they know exactly who to track it back to.

**[19:01] Speaker A:** Right. If what Bob says sounds like bullshit, it's not his fault.

**[19:05] Speaker A:** The government intentionally fed him bullshit so they could track it back to him and prosecute him for exposing their secrets. I'm sure the men in black will be coming to pick him up any day now. Also not Bob's fault is the missing evidence. See, he took a piece of element 115 home with him. I guess they just didn't notice he had it in his pocket and he kept it with him for years, just, I don't know, used it as a paperweight or something.

**[19:33] Speaker A:** So he's had physical proof of his story that he could have shown to the world at any time, but he just didn't feel like it. And now conveniently, he can't find it, so it's gone. And he's pretty sure the government came and stole it secretly or, or maybe the cleaners misplaced it, I don't know. Anyway, he can't find it.

**[19:53] Speaker B:** You went public in the 1980s and even in the interview with George, you said you had a piece of element 115.

**[20:01] Speaker B:** You did say you had a piece back then, and then you never said it again. Yeah, but you stopped saying it because it was just like.

**[20:07] Speaker C:** Just.

**[20:08] Speaker B:** Yeah, I stopped saying it because. Yeah.

**[20:11] Speaker A:** And then the documentary turns its attention to the one and only piece of recorded evidence for any of this. A grainy VHS tape Bob and his buddies shot from a hill overlooking Groom Lake where they saw a little ball of light.

**[20:24] Speaker B:** Yeah, we went out there two or three times. So we'd go out there in the dark.

**[20:29] Speaker A:** No way. Did you see that move?

**[20:30] Speaker C:** It did.

**[20:31] Speaker A:** No, I didn't because I kept doing how bright it's getting. Look at it now. And this is where the story actually starts to all make sense.

**[20:41] Speaker A:** Not Bob's fantasy version, of course, but the real story. See, as a low level tech worker at Groom Lake, Bob didn't Get to read any top secret reports. He didn't get to see any spaceships, but he did manage to find out their test schedule. And he knew that on several upcoming Wednesday nights they'd be conducting above ground tests of whatever they were testing there. Some people say it was flares, some people say it was a new type of plane.

**[21:06] Speaker A:** One group of scientists is convinced it was a ball of plasma. And they've done some impressive looking math to prove it. Checking their work is kind of above my pay grade. But whatever it was, I'll bet you anything it wasn't this. Because this thing first of all doesn't have any lights on it. And even if it did, why would they turn on the lights if they're trying to keep it a secret? Bob gives a half assed explanation for this. That really makes no sense if you think about it. Bob said there's a static charge that dances around on the skin of the disc.

**[21:36] Speaker B:** There's a high DC voltage on it, right?

**[21:40] Speaker A:** High voltage makes things glow. That's why high voltage power lines all look like this. The other really important detail about these little nighttime excursions with the video camera is that one of those buddies was conspiracy theorist John Lear.

**[21:54] Speaker C:** Good evening, this is John Lear. We're standing just about eight miles due east of Groom Lake, Nevada. The super government secret test site.

**[22:03] Speaker A:** John already believed in flying saucers and government coverups and alien autopsies, captured UFOs.

**[22:10] Speaker B:** John Lear had Area 51 stories and that sort of thing. He was an unusual guy, but a good friend and had some strange beliefs.

**[22:19] Speaker A:** So if you're friends with someone like that, what makes a better story?

**[22:23] Speaker A:** Hey John, come see the lights made by our proton accelerator or whatever, or hey John, come see a real flying saucer. That proves everything you believe is true. So whether it was to impress John or to prank him, or just because he couldn't help himself, Bob got John and a few other buddies to drive up to an overlook where they could see the light show and told them it was a secret UFO project that he knew all about, which I'm sure was a lot of fun for him until they got busted.

**[22:52] Speaker B:** We got caught out there. We got stopped initially by the guards that are out in that area.

**[22:57] Speaker A:** And here's where the rubber hits the road, so to speak. Bob could have been in big trouble for sharing true details about military tests, but he hadn't. There's no law against making up bullshit about UFOs that don't exist, so they let him go. Bob's wild UFO story literally saved his ass. I mean, he still lost his job, but he didn't get prosecuted for espionage.

**[23:23] Speaker A:** And because that story saved his ass, and because I guess it sounded cool, too, he stuck with it. And the rest is history. And here we are, almost 40 years later, still talking about the boy who cried Alien. And this really is the final nail in the coffin of Bob's story. Because if the government really did have flying saucer technology, where is it?

**[23:47] Speaker A:** You're telling me that they haven't found a single use for it in the last 40 years? Haven't used it to make hovercraft or anything? You're also telling me that it's so secret, not a single other person has come forward in all this time to corroborate Bob's story, even though it was incredibly easy for him to get his own personal tour of a spaceship and read all the classified documents about the aliens. And there were no consequences at all for going public with that information. But no one else has done it in all this time.

**[24:22] Speaker A:** Super easy. No consequences. Millions of UFO believers would love to do it, but no one has. Okay, fine. I'll do it. All I gotta do is just lie and say I've got a physics degree, the government will hire me, show me all their secret plans, and send me home with a souvenir of element 115. No problem. I'll see you back here in a few weeks. With full disclosure,

**[24:49] Speaker C:** I don't believe Bob Lazarus could get a degree from Caltech or MIT for a very simple reason. At American universities, when you get a degree, you have to take all kinds of core courses in subjects that you may not be interested in. Literature. I cannot possibly imagine that he sat through that stuff to get a degree. So what do we do?

**[25:09] Speaker C:** What do we do with that? Do we throw out the story?